Trust Your Professionals

[rinselberg]

Well said. Lockerbie was a clear cut case of terrorism. Was My Lie an accident?

Do you think our government knew Pan Am's flight was targeted yet only told government connected passengers to find another flight? Wasn't that why many students got on with cheap tickets? Can this happen today?

What happened at My Lai was certainly no accident, but except for the fact that the Army was involved (the Army as it was during the Vietnam years), I don't see what it has to do with the Fort Hood incident.

In general though, I acknowledge your point: There seems to be no end to Army and government "cover-ups". For example, all that nonsense about what actually happened to that football player Pat Tillman in Afghanistan, when the Army tried to cover up the fact that it was a "friendly fire" incident.

Still, I don't think the Army will be able to get off the hook for this Fort Hood screwup.

Maybe I'm just too optimistic.

[Uncle Fester]

What happened at My Lai was certainly no accident, but except for the fact that the Army was involved (the Army as it was during the Vietnam years), I don't see what it has to do with the Fort Hood incident.

In general though, I acknowledge your point: There seems to be no end to Army and government "cover-ups". For example, all that nonsense about what actually happened to that football player Pat Tillman in Afghanistan, when the Army tried to cover up the fact that it was a "friendly fire" incident.

Still, I don't think the Army will be able to get off the hook for this Fort Hood screwup.

Maybe I'm just too optimistic.

It's all a plot to be sure the thread is completely hijacked by the end of page 2.

[AngryFish]

USS Liberty, building 7, and the host of other top-level kill for profit schemes the US is guilty of.

[rinselberg]

Were Columbine and Va Tech terrorism?

"Terrorism" tends to be a shorthand word or abbreviaton of "political terrorism" or "religious extremist terrorism". I wouldn't describe what happened at Columbine or at Va Tech as "terrorism" in the same sense that "terrorism" usually appears in the media.

[Uncle Fester]

Were Columbine and Va Tech terrorism?

Can we agree it's all various degrees of murder?

[AngryFish]

Yet there are police being taught that the founding fathers where terrorists.

[Spexvet]

This guy seems more like a Columbine, VA Tech crazy guy - he went postal. Premeditated postal, but not terrorism.

[Spexvet]

Yet there are police being taught that the founding fathers where terrorists.

Well they didn't outlaw slavery, and they did oppress women.

[Uncle Fester]

Yet there are police being taught that the founding fathers where terrorists.

I could so lawyer that!
Would Israel exist today without terrorism?

[rinselberg]

This guy seems more like a Columbine, VA Tech crazy guy - he went postal. Premeditated postal, but not terrorism.

I think that you're jumping the gun on this, Spexvet. I'm not saying 100 percent that this Fort Hood was "political terrorism" or "Islamist terrorism", but it's beginning to look that way as more comes to light about this Major Hasan's background and activities.

[AngryFish]

Isreal is the worst terrorist state to go ignored by the west.

[AngryFish]

Funded, excused, encouraged, etc the list of UN resolutions condemning Israel is longer than most of Africa combined. We facilitate their terrorism and it's wrong.

[Johns]

ter⋅ror⋅ism

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

[Uncle Fester]

ter⋅ror⋅ism

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

I especially like the 3rd paragraph.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

Maybe AngryFish could ask a moderator to change the thread title to something like Ft. Hood and Terrorism?

Can Dr Hasan claim to be an "enemy combatant"?

[Johns]

Can Dr Hasan claim to be an "enemy combatant"?

Gee... I don't know. That seems a little harsh.

Why don't we just say that he is "mean spirited"?

[AngryFish]

I like insurgent.

[Uncle Fester]

Wasn't the whole idea of creating the term enemy combatant to strip the rights of----------- Terrorists!

[rinselberg]

Army Ignored Warning Signs From Fort Hood Shooter, Former Classmate Says

The warning signs were all there: the justification of homicide bombings; the spewing of anti-American hatred; the efforts to reach Al Qaeda . . .

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573469,00.html


U.S. tracked Fort Hood suspect before shooting
Exchanges with radical cleric detected but probe was dropped, sources say

By David Johnston and Scott Shane
The New York Times

WASHINGTON - Intelligence agencies intercepted communications last year and earlier this year between Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who is accused of shooting to death 13 people at Fort Hood, Tex., and a radical cleric in Yemen known for his incendiary anti-American teachings. But federal authorities dropped an inquiry into the matter after deciding the messages warranted no further action, government officials said on Monday. . . .

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33807907...ew_york_times/


So the picture that's emerging is that of a political or sectarian (Islamist) terrorist; a lone terrorist, apparently, in the sense that he acted alone, but was egged on by contact with other radicals.

[AngryFish]

Army Ignored Warning Signs From Fort Hood Shooter, Former Classmate Says

The warning signs were all there: the justification of homicide bombings; the spewing of anti-American hatred; the efforts to reach Al Qaeda . . .

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573469,00.html


U.S. tracked Fort Hood suspect before shooting
Exchanges with radical cleric detected but probe was dropped, sources say

By David Johnston and Scott Shane
The New York Times

WASHINGTON - Intelligence agencies intercepted communications last year and earlier this year between Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who is accused of shooting to death 13 people at Fort Hood, Tex., and a radical cleric in Yemen known for his incendiary anti-American teachings. But federal authorities dropped an inquiry into the matter after deciding the messages warranted no further action, government officials said on Monday. . . .

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33807907...ew_york_times/


So the picture that's emerging is that of a political or sectarian (Islamist) terrorist; a lone terrorist, apparently, in the sense that he acted alone, but was egged on by contact with other radicals.

Let’s be clear, any time a Muslim chants “Allah Ackba” as he kills innocent people he is a Muslim terrorist. That is what the nut at Fort Hood did.

It is also established fact that to engage in activities that confuse the “infidels”, us, is necessary and condoned. Going to a strip club and drinking alcohol or any other vice or crime, to that end serves this purpose.


But being, as was inferred, that I am someone who holds an opinion based on myth or in spite of the facts, does this make me a lair too, because surely I could not have come to a different conclusion after more consideration of the facts.

[AngryFish]

Well they didn't outlaw slavery, and they did oppress women.

They laid the groundwork for the freest nation (freest people, black, gay, women,men,poor,etc) on earth and the granting of more rights than afforded by any other nation. The goal at hand was the Union not the correction of all evils. We are still fighting that battle and it will never end, but it is within the framework we where gifted that it is possible.

[Spexvet]

Let’s be clear, any time a Muslim chants “Allah Ackba” as he kills innocent people he is a Muslim terrorist. ...

No, he is not.

You really are an angry fish!

[bob_f_aboc]

Let’s be clear, any time a Muslim chants “Allah Ackba” as he kills innocent people he is a Muslim terrorist. ...

No, he is not.

...

What would you call it???

[Johns]

What would you call it???

A mean spirited person?:hammer:

[bob_f_aboc]

So it would be similar to walking into a burn ward at 2 AM and screaming "FIRE!" and pulling the alarm?

Just being mean and it has nothing to do with instilling fear into people based on their previous experiences.

[Spexvet]

If he had said "god damn you" would it have made him a terrorist?