Just curious, Essilor & Zeiss seems to take over many smaller outfits, is Essilor the Largest Ophthalmic company now & Zeiss 2nd in ranking ?
What does that leave Hoya with who seems to have lots of good product, are they No.3 or maybe No.4 ?
Do you think it'll become only 2 big players in ten years time ?
I don't think so.
Watch out those Chinese, Indian or whatever lens manufacturers.
They will learn and improve.
And kick Esiilor bu$$.
I hope so.
Some of them will find that it's more profitable to stay in business rather than be bought by Essilor. Same quality at lower prices, there is nothing like that !
As an exemple, take a look on Chinese or Indian cars, they are coming sooner than you think.
yes, agree the China may come out with very good product. the are fast enough to adopt the technology and even make it better and cheaper.. i have seen 'iPhone' from China which really give me a shock.
for current market here, i think Hoya still doing strong, Zeiss coming with their new lens and concentrate quite lots in marketing plan. if to rank them i don't really know it should be..
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The two own already a large part of the more successful optical laboratories in many countries.Originally Posted by npk
Zeiss is the first on to jump into the retail market with 500+ optical stores planned in India, they have about 200 operating these days.
Essilor does it visibly, so you can follow the trend, while Zeiss keeps it low key and one has to do a little research to find the results.
Hoya is doing the same thing but even at lower key and one does not get get too much information.
"Is Essilor #1?"
In my book they are!
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#1 what?
Have you ever noticed how many products in every field claim to be:
#1 .
Rated #1 by..
#1 doctor recommeded..
First in...
The Nations highest rated...
Rated Best by....
Used by more people than any other...
Most refreshing...
Gives you the smoothest....
The most comfortable...
Clinically recommended by...
Out selling all for the Xth year in a row...
Most doctors surveyed recommend us by a margin of...
Recommeded by the (OAA, or whatever organisation)...
Anybody remember when the FTC told us that we couldn't refer to ophthalmic products as "First Quality" because there was no defintion of same? Of course, we all knew what seconds were, didn't we?
Anyone have a clue how often an organization will recommend something after a generous donation?
Anone have a clue how often a product turns out to best if it is the one paying for the research or survey?
Chip
They may be the largest, but to me they are not #1
Both Essilor and CZV have already got well established manufacturing facilities in China and will no doubt do what is necessary to stay ahead. Look at CZV who are closing down their Lonsdale plant in Australia with the loss of 95 jobs and shifting production of all 1.60/1.67/1.74 AO & Sola branded lenses to Guangzhou (Zeiss branded high index's are still manufactured in Aalen). Then there's Essilor who already manufacture all of their 1.5 & Poly Single Vision lenses in China with Chemilens (their high index's come from Thailand-EMTC).
That is the facts, even HOYA do all their productions in Thailand, all stocks lens, iD, lifestyle iD. Now they are moving to Vitenam and making another production line there !
Every business is lowering their cost and earn more !
In my area, most of the chain store either use their house brands or Essilor & Zeiss product, and the independant use more of Hoya & others.
Does it apply quite the same in most places ?
french immigrant into the USA, now pure American.
Forget learning Spanish anymore....Chinese is the new lingo. Gary
According to my previous lens rep Shamir makes the most progressives because they manufacture designs for other companies. At least that's what I was told. Can anyone confirm this?
I can't really confirm it, but I've heard the same thing.
If one watches "How Stuff Works" on the tube. You get the impression that almost every item is made in a factory that produces that product for everyone and puts different manufacturer's labels on it as a final step.
Anyone notice that almost every manufactureing technique portrayed is totally fully automated by robots that very few could possibly afford if one wanted to start a small compeditive company in the same type product?
Kind of reminds you of the ecconomic status of the world in the origional "Roller Ball."
Chip
Shamir was the glass mold maker for some of the corporations before they started to make lenses as far as I know.
A friend from India visiting one of the largest lens makers in China reported that they were making lenses for all of the large corporations in the same building.
I've heard the same thing about one or two Korean companies and also a Thai company
I worked at AP Parts for a summer job over 30 years ago. They made every American car companies mufflers and tail pipes in their plant. They were made to different specs as Chrysler tail pipes were noticeably heavier. I imagine each lens company likewise has their own software telling the robots how to surface each lens design. It's always the same thing, whoever can manufacture cheaper gets the job.
Partly true. When Johnson & Johnson owned the Definity brand, Shamir (actually Eyal) had the contract to manufacture the lenses for them. When Essilor bought Definity they continued the previous arrangement and Eyal still produce all Definity lenses (at least for the EMEA region) which Essilor then rebrand. The only thing Essilor has got them to change is the lens ID marking which has changed from 'JJ' to 'D'.
The Thai company in question would be TOG - Thai Optical Group. As well as producing there own lenses they have the contract to manufacture a no. of products for Nikon such as the 'Privilege' as well as most if not all of the 1.50 Seiko lenses.
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