Has anyone tried out the new progressive from VSP/Zeiss called "reveal"?
The thing vsp sent me says its available in free form and traditional. I'm curious if anyone has had good or bad experiences with this lens... Or if its just a rebranding of an exsisting product.
Thanks!
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I just delivered my first pair today and the patient was trilled, 17 seg.ht. Definite WOW factor.
Chip
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free form or traditional?
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Free Form.
Although I was doing these as a comp for my lab, from the cost it would have been stated on the invoice, I'm not sure the word Free should be applied to these.
Chip
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Chip,
Did you hold these over graph paper? How would you describe the design? The mid range or the low level distortion?
Sharpstick
Sorry to say I failed to put over graph paper, I did hold them up and view the chart and various straight lines at 1/2 arm's lenght, they looked pretty good. The patient (about 45 yr. old, socially astute female) said she was seeing better than she ever had in her life.
However they were a long time in the lab despite the fact the lab was doing this to brown nose a relative of one of their chief accounts. I plan to order some for myself tomarrow if time permits.
Chip
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Holding a lens over graph paper, IMHO, will yield very incomplete information about its visual performance. It is a crude test at best.Originally Posted by chip anderson
Barry
Barry,
Yes its crude, but since very few of us in dispensing have neither the time nor the equipment for the thorough lazer mapping of each progressive lens its still a great tool to get a feel for where they put the distortion, and how the design bends light.
My Hoya rep says every progressive is the same because there is no objective criteria to determine which is better. So if I believed him I would still be dispensing GP Wides to my patients and enjoying my 12% non-adapt rate. Subjective tools are still valid despite their limitations especially when the patient is waiting for their lenses.
Sharpstick
Deah be a whole lot to be said for opticians who can hold a lens at arms lenght, wave it around looking at tube lights, straight lines etc and find any abberations or flaws that are there. Some can even tell the Rx within a quarter and the axis within a degree doing this an nothing more.
Chip
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i have nothing to back me up other then skepticism
i like zeiss alot too i might add
i have a weird feeling it is a rebranded GT2 and GT2 3D
i got the same packet today and have been curious all day why VSP didnt stick with its normal bedmate (essilor) in launching its very own lens.
My lab rep told me that in the meeting with Zeiss they said it was a totally different design than anything they have produced before.
I'm thinking its a test market. See how it does for VSP and then rename it into the Zeiss family.
As far as the usual bedmate, maybe VSP decided to go with quality this time.
Just my thoughts.
A lack of planning on your part DOES NOT constitute an emergency on mine!
what class of progressive is each charged under for VSP? I assume the freeform is a "N" progressive? Is that correct?
Why would I use this lens compared with competing lenses from Zeiss, Shamir etc?
The freeform lens is catagory 'N'. While the traditional is catagory 'F'. Same as the Summit Lenses, and I believe the Physio.
A lack of planning on your part DOES NOT constitute an emergency on mine!
are they widely available at contract VSP labs, or just through a VSP owned lab?
17 VSP and Zeiss owned labs across the west and southern US. Including all the VSP owned labs except Columbus.
A lack of planning on your part DOES NOT constitute an emergency on mine!
that would be completely unheard of... and would make too much sense for VSP
it has to be a money thing, with zeiss actually in the black and essilor spending their way deeper into the red
who knows... but i might actually try this one out and see how well its recieved
the split codes for the freeform and regular versions is what made me really consider this a gt2 clone, but i should hear back from our rep or their master optician soon about it.
I do the same thing Chip. Unscientific, but effective.
Sharpstick
I hold them up to the ceiling fluorescent fixtures. The small patterns really show the lens.
On a slightly different note:
How about the VSP/Essilor lens called the Inspire and Inspire HD?
Got some info about it today, and it requires vertex,wrap, and panto measurements.
Supposedly only available after April 14,2009 in 8 states and DC, including Indiana,Kentucky,Maryland,Michigan,Ohio,Pennsylvania,Virgini a, and West Virginia.
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That sounds more like VSP now! Hedging their bets with a West/South against East/North battle of the lenses. Zeiss vs. Essilor...cool!
A lack of planning on your part DOES NOT constitute an emergency on mine!
I asked my Essilor rep about the inspire lenses and he said we should use the Physio regular and 360. I haven't tried them yet, though.
Someone needs to invent a inexpensive light box with a grid that could be used to show off the differences in this lenses to our patients. Or something of the sorts.
Hoya makes just such a beast, without the light.
What is it called? I need to order about 22 of them.
It's called a progressive lens comparison thingamajiggy. You can ask your Hoya rep for one, or maybe I can get you one.
Thank you- I have my lab rep working on it
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