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    Question Shamir

    I have a patient
    -200 with 50 cyl

    She came in wanting Shamir Prog. She then proceeds to pick out a 30 B frame :shiner:

    Frame masure a 21 HT o.u.

    I try to get her to get in a definity short, but she WANTS Shamir,......

    Should I:

    Give her the Shamir, it's a good chance to work.......

    or

    Give her the def short......shamir will fit but won't makeher happy......

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    Enlighten me!

    Why wouldn't a Shamir work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlos83eye View Post
    I have a patient
    -200 with 50 cyl

    She came in wanting Shamir Prog. She then proceeds to pick out a 30 B frame :shiner:

    Frame masure a 21 HT o.u.

    I try to get her to get in a definity short, but she WANTS Shamir,......

    Should I:

    Give her the Shamir, it's a good chance to work.......

    or

    Give her the def short......shamir will fit but won't makeher happy......

    Which Shamir lens in particular did she request? They make many different designs. Some will fit better than others into small B frames of course.

    Bri~

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    shamir autograph. no problem.

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    Yeah, shamir auto :bbg:

    cool,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fezz View Post
    Why wouldn't a Shamir work?
    Even though the shamir HT is fine, I worried about the corridor being to long for the frame and a shorter corridor being easier adapt to......

    But I guess since it's digital it's o.k. or is it just that there is no need to switch to short corridor as long as the HT is within range:hammer:
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    You do understand that when we are talking about fitting heights, we're talking about the minimum height for useable reaing area? Why use a short corridor design with a 21 fitting height?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy Canty View Post
    You do understand that when we are talking about fitting heights, we're talking about the minimum height for useable reaing area? Why use a short corridor design with a 21 fitting height?
    I agree. Doesn't mean you can't use the Autograph anyway; just use the longer corridor version.
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    Regardless

    Like everyone else on here said there are several lenses that will work. Keep in mind, if you choose to switch the patient from what they WANT into something else, you need to tell them and explain why. If you switch against their wishes, and patient finds out and you didn't tell them all h*ll will break loose, probably get bad word of mouth, won't see the patient again, and possibly even have to refund. Remember, we may know what is best but it is ultimately the patient's decision.

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    A Definity short will not give you anymore reading area. I would recommend the regular Definity if you choose in that direction.

    Sometimes a shorter corridor is more difficult to get used to because short corridor PALs usually have a harder design. As a rule of thumb I don't use short corridor lenses on first time progressive users. Unless, they are extremely set on using a smaller B frame. But not without warning about the adverse effects for a first time user.
    Last edited by OpticianVlad; 10-16-2008 at 05:49 PM. Reason: added info.

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    Rx shows no add. If she doesn't have an add why use any progressive?

    Chip

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    The Shamir Autograph II series uses fixed and variable corridor designs. This line of lenses would work very well in this situation!

    Best of luck!

    :cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy Canty View Post
    You do understand that when we are talking about fitting heights, we're talking about the minimum height for useable reaing area? Why use a short corridor design with a 21 fitting height?
    Carlos said the FRAME measured 21...are we saying the B is 21mm?

    Either way, we've had wild success with the Autograph 2 Variable, down to 11mm seg height!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeFitWell View Post
    Carlos said the FRAME measured 21...are we saying the B is 21mm?

    Either way, we've had wild success with the Autograph 2 Variable, down to 11mm seg height!
    Reread it--B=30 set 21 high--

    Autograph 2's are fine here imo. I'm still trying to get a fix (pardon the pun) on patient reactions from a fixed vs. variable. If she hasn't worn a progressive before I'd consider the Variable. I'm leaning towards fixed for those who are used to older harder designed progressives but the jury is still out on my getting a consistent reaction on what the fixed does best against what the variable does best. For that matter how noticeable the difference is!

    If she's always taken her glasses off to read then remember Ryser's Rule.:)
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    Thanks uncle fester, I stand corrected! :-)

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    Shamir

    Carlos,
    Stick with the Shamir. Your only asking for problems switching her to the Panamic.
    Besides, the seg ht. is fine.
    Jame:cheers::cheers:

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    Quote Originally Posted by chip anderson View Post
    Rx shows no add. If she doesn't have an add why use any progressive?

    Chip
    +2.50 add, niiiiice, didn't catch that i forgot that important info:cheers:
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Peterson View Post
    Carlos,
    Stick with the Shamir. Your only asking for problems switching her to the Panamic.
    Besides, the seg ht. is fine.
    Jame:cheers::cheers:
    Thanks guys for the help......patient want shamir, i'll give it to her......I was just concerned that even thogh the HT is16 on a shamir......a 21 ht on such a small B.....but jeez, at 11 ht worked......
    confidence in HT reinitiated :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by carlos83eye View Post
    Thanks guys for the help......patient want shamir, i'll give it to her......I was just concerned that even thogh the HT is16 on a shamir......a 21 ht on such a small B.....but jeez, at 11 ht worked......
    confidence in HT reinitiated :D
    You need to educate yourself more on the many types of Autographs that are available for this patient. It's more than just one lens like a panamic. A plain Autograph fit at 11 high will never work but with this case at 21 high you'll be ok. At 11 high you need to be in the Autograph 2 series chosing between the Autograph 2 Fixed or Autograph 2 Variable lenses.

    Contact Shamir at 1-877-742-6476 and see if a rep is in your area or they can send you some literature.

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    Why does she even know about a Shamir? I think you let the patient be in control when you talk brand names. Bad idea.

    I can't imagine any consumer knowing about Shamir. They don't advertise.

    But since she wants a Shamir, give it to her. Don't argue with customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcE View Post
    Why does she even know about a Shamir? I think you let the patient be in control when you talk brand names. Bad idea.

    I can't imagine any consumer knowing about Shamir. They don't advertise.

    But since she wants a Shamir, give it to her. Don't argue with customers.
    :cheers:, I agree I would add if you feel in yoru professional opinion that the shamir lens isn't the right choice for her and she wants it anyway then she would be responsible to cover any non-adapt costs, not you, not the lab. Watch her sober up when you tell her that. Your in control (or should be) so dig your spurs in and don't let this one buck you. :D

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    We shift the risk to them if they pick the lens!

    Quote Originally Posted by HarryChiling View Post
    :cheers:, I agree I would add if you feel in yoru professional opinion that the shamir lens isn't the right choice for her and she wants it anyway then she would be responsible to cover any non-adapt costs, not you, not the lab. Watch her sober up when you tell her that. Your in control (or should be) so dig your spurs in and don't let this one buck you. :D
    We don't get people who often ask for a specific lens, but i will speak with them and explain that as the experts we pick the lens and the material. If they pick the lens or material, they are responsible for any extra costs. That may be an up charge for a Varilux or Crizal, but the real issue is if it does not work or the lens breaks we are not responsible.

    If we pick the lens, we take the risk; If they pick the lens, they take the risk!

    Sounds fair to me!

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    Not long after J+J came out with the definity I had a women come in asking for it by name. I was curious how she heard about it and she said her neighbor was an airline pilot and all the pilots were switching to it because it worked the best in the cockpit.
    I thought what an endorsement opportunity and mentioned it to the rep but nothing to my knowledge ever came of it.

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    I have the Shamir Genisis in my sunglasses. I know it isn't the most updated one but I love it. I rarely wear progressives and when using them I don't even notice they are progressive except that I can see.
    Even if I glance down with out moving my head I can read the radio dial which is just a little over knee high with no distortion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    Not long after J+J came out with the definity I had a women come in asking for it by name. I was curious how she heard about it and she said her neighbor was an airline pilot and all the pilots were switching to it because it worked the best in the cockpit.
    I thought what an endorsement opportunity and mentioned it to the rep but nothing to my knowledge ever came of it.
    Maybe that's part of the reason J&J unloaded it. It never was marketed well under J&J. I think they should have given the lens to Vistacon.:idea: They do a great job at marketing and the reps are already in all the OD and OMD offices.

    But they didn't ask me.:hammer:

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