Your preferred freeform lenses?

[Eric the Eye Guy]

Nobody mentioned Hoya ID and ID Lifestyle...

For my money, the BEST free form on the market. Expensive, yes, but hasn't an equal.

[optigrrl]

Nobody mentioned Hoya ID and ID Lifestyle...

For my money, the BEST free form on the market. Expensive, yes, but hasn't an equal.

I absolutely agree with you *shameless plugging, here!* but I didn't want to be biased!

[optigrrl]

Eric, welcome to Optiboard!

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[EyeFitWell]

In addition to all the benefits of Harmonix Technology, the Accolade Freedom lens design also includes FrameOptimiza-tion™ Technology.

The Autograph 2 also incorporates the frame measurements in the design. They call it "FreeFrame Technology."

[DocInChina]

Seiko/Pentax owns the patents on back surface freeform progressives, so all the other companies that do a back surface only pay them a royalty. They seem to have a good price point too. Having said that, I think the Autograph II is the most sophisticated design right now.

J

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Seiko's patent is on their design parameters and not on any design that is incorporated onto a back suface of a lens.

[eyeguy99]

Fezz...have you tried the Rodenstock Multi Gressiv with the high cyls patients yet??? Works really well but due to high price you need to pick your patients.

[Scott]

Seiko/Pentax owns the patents on back surface freeform progressives, so all the other companies that do a back surface only pay them a royalty. They seem to have a good price point too. Having said that, I think the Autograph II is the most sophisticated design right now.

J

You may want to take a closer look as to who owns the back suface patents. If i am not mistaken Zeiss holds the back surface patent and Seiko is the one paying the royalty, Also HDV has a varaible corridor length.

[RenegadeOptician]

I've been wearing Progressives for nearly ten years, I find the Seiko Succeed is my Go To Lens. Honestly, It's twice as good as Lenses twice the Price. I Use the Autograph II for Higher Presciptions.

The Rodenstock Mutligressiv is Great but I've had too many Service Issues with Rodenstock Labs.

And a Big Shout Out to Whomever designed the Autograph Single Vision.
Good Lord dispensing that Lens Makes Me Happy Like a Little Girl

[john-atlanta]

Welcome to OptiBoard!!!!!!
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Can you elaborate on where you feel the Autograph SV shines and in what cases you like to Rx it?

Thanks!


John

I've been wearing Progressives for nearly ten years, I find the Seiko Succeed is my Go To Lens. Honestly, It's twice as good as Lenses twice the Price. I Use the Autograph II for Higher Presciptions.

The Rodenstock Mutligressiv is Great but I've had too many Service Issues with Rodenstock Labs.

And a Big Shout Out to Whomever designed the Autograph Single Vision.
Good Lord dispensing that Lens Makes Me Happy Like a Little Girl

[RenegadeOptician]

I generally recommend the AutoGraph SV to Patients with a cyl between 2-5 diopters or a sphere over 5 diopters. I've had patients literally Squeal with Delight when I dispensed their -14 diopter lenses.
It's a Highly Recommended Addition to any Independent's War Chest against the Chains

[TLG]

If you are talking about the new Clean N' Clear, the ENTIRE job is supposed to go through your private lab and you use the special lens procedure. To calculate the patient cost, calculate your U&C for the lens PLUS the AR, subtract 20% and then subtract your progressive allowance and dispensing fee. There is NO chargeback, because you have to pay the lab. Goto Eyefinity -> VSP online -> Special lens calculator (on top left), enter your U&C and progressive dispensing fee. Not sure what it is, call VSP.

I created a calculator for these in an Excel spreadsheet for our office. If anyone would like a copy, you can email or pm me and I will email it to you with instructions on how to easily modify it for your office. It may save you time by not having to log in and/or having to reenter your contracted vsp fees (they are saved in the calculator).

[ayoco]

vsp codes
who can explain the best codes for maximum pal and free form reimbursement?

[TLG]

vsp codes
who can explain the best codes for maximum pal and free form reimbursement?

-n

[john-atlanta]

For Signature plan: the chargeback for progressives is EXACTLY equal to the patient out of pocket (OOP), so from a profit point of view it makes no difference.

For example the Autograph II is a "N" progressive OOP is $119 in CR39 and the chargeback is $119. The Younger image is a "L" class progressive with OOP $71 and the chargeback is...$71.

The profit comes from the dispensing fee, which is the same for both and the options, which is the same for both. Therefore, prescribing more expensive progressives makes no additional profit for the practice, unless you feel it differentiates you from your competitors and / or reduces time and money on remakes and non-adapts.

See attached for fees and chargebacks (page 4 shows progressives). Note service fee = profit for practice.

For Signature Choice: more expensive progressives = more profit (in theory) because you collect 80% or your U&C - your standard bifocal price. For example, if your charge $300 for your progressive of choice and $100 for bifocals, you would charge the patient $300-$100 = $200*80% = $160.

If you charge $200 then you get $80 (200-100) * 80%

Hope this helps!

John

[G L A]

G23D THE NEW FREEFROM PROGRESSIVE IS THE BEST .

GT23D is new launch of zeiss and this is the best freefrom progressive. who are using this , they are realy get experience of vision never before.

:)

[mahmoud.hamza]

This has been one of my complaints with free-form. The times that I have tried with higher power, cyls, etc, the lab had issues. I have been told the issues are because of high power, high cyl, blah, blah, boring, blah. But, they suggest I send more work in lower powers so they can show me how great free-form is.

Well, I thought the benefits were more noticeable in higher cyls, powers, etc?

Fezz why do not you like Freform lens ? can you pruve that Freeform lens are not better then Conventional lens? I tried by my custumers and they are very stisfied when they change from Varilux CONFORT To Freeform lenses!!

[Fezz]

can you pruve that Freeform lens are not better then Conventional lens?

Can you prove that they are better than conventional lenses?

[mahmoud.hamza]

Can you prove that they are better than conventional lenses?

yes: the progressive area is more near to the eye so the view will be more important for then the conventional lens especely in the hight power the fact Of making the power+ the asphéric disigne + the progression in the same diopter can be better conjugated

[sharpstick777]

I really like the Definity... its the lowest priced backside freeform on the market (less than $70 after iDocs discount), , has the widest intermediate area I have ever found, works well with all RX's, is quick (usually less than 6 days with CrizalA), has a ton of material choices (Cr-39 AND Poly Polarized), comes in short and long corridors (the short version has all the same mat choices as long) and about 40% of the time my patients experience no low level distortion at dispense (They can read clearly across the ENTIRE width of the lens the first time they put them on).

Most of my patients are first time progressive wearers, and some adapt in less than 20 minutes. My previous Progressive wearers do the best though. I had one patient who put the lens on, went shopping, came back and poked their head in the door and "Wow, I can see!" and walked back out again!

Although a lot of people say they like thier freeform lens, but few are giving concrete answers to why so I thought I would add some details.

Sharpstick

[Decades]

It's important to be cautious when interpreting manufacturer marketing claims regarding technology. For example, the Varilux Physio 360 does not contain the progressive design on the back surface like some other lenses described in this thread.

Like Physio, the Physio 360 is a front surface progressive design cast with a digitally surfaced mold. The digitally surfaced back side contains atoric curves of the distance RX - not the progressive design.

This technology (similar to the old Rodenstock Multigressive) does provide improved optics to patients with a moderate cylinder correction. Improved that is, over what those patients would experience with the same progressive design, but without an atoric backside.

[optigrrl]

Welcome Aboard, Decades!!!

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[oblique]

Can you prove that they are better than conventional lenses?

It depends.... if you consider 1/100th diopter of surfacing accuracy an improvement over 1/10th D. I believe that the science shows better surfacing accuracy will bend light in a more predictable manner providing more crisp, clear and bright vision. So freeform should be prescribed for those optically sensitive patients that do not have a complex RX.