Fitting height

[rinselberg]

Rodenstock progressive lenses plus designer frame.. $1000

.. fitted and dispensed by Bobie in a tuxedo.. $10,000

Bobie's posts.. PRICELESS!


(Just a little levity. If ultra-high-end optical works for Bobie, who am I to object?)

[Bobie]

Stupid dispensing optician will compare their Mercidez Benz A class with S class in hi-end show room car that sell only S class and blame S class show room like rinselberg did it.
If it's fair or not nobody cares , because in our world you can be stupid as much as you want to and can get the result of your own stupidity and nobody cares if your stupid it does not disturb them.

The price of Rodenstock Impression FreeSign ColorMatic 1.67 is 6 times more expensive than Rodenstock Progressiv PureLife Perfalit 1.5 and 10 times more expensive than Rodenstock Progressiv SI.

rinselberg have to inform that what PALs of Rodenstock he means for 1,000 US$ with what brand of designer frame.

The price of designer frames can be 10 times different depending on the brand and model.

rinselberg , you can compare BVLGARI solid gold with a diamond limited edition at a price tag of 15,000 US$ and start shouting that " Oh, that shop sells BVLGARI 33 times more expensive than me because they wear a very smart uniform! " , but it will be very stupid in my opinion.

ISOPTIK is the one that has a better life guarantee for all eyeglasses for 2 years and if our customers can find any place in the world who can make better or the same quality eyeglasses in the same price or cheaper , they have the right to instant refund their money 100% without any questions and our guarantees also cover earthquakes , huricans , tornados , car crashes , dogs , foot or wrong use for any reason.

Anyway , rinselberg , we are in two total different worlds and I recommend that you try to learn how to respect each other as much as possible and try to create someg ood things on this webboard. May be I expect to much , but I will try.

Everyday I have to answer a lot of stupid question like this from many dispensing optician around the world , some of them ask me because they really would like to learn and many of them just ask to make themself look more smart but don't want to learn anything.

rinselberg , which one are you?

:bbg:

[rinselberg]

I'm not a dispensing optician.

I was only JOKING.

I'm one of the very last posters (people) on this forum that you should ever be concerned about.

I like to joke!

[Barry Santini]

Bobbie:

1. Your familiarity, understanding and experience with all types of PALs, including ones that promise a degree of sophistication and performance that we here in the US have no experience with, tempts me greatly to want to very much take up position along side you, with you as the *master*, and I has the humble student with much to learn and skills and knowledge to acquire.

2. My experience of 35 years as a dispensing optician has taught me, if nothing else, the following:
a. Eyewear never stays precisely in the place it was measured from, no matter how "accurate" the fitter's measurement.
b. The human eye is not a CCD or a camera, unlike the many analogies with often use. There is neural processing, millions of years of evolution of visual habits, and, not the least, our emotional evolution and development, which has been accompanied by the development of mirror neurons and their subsequent affect on how we compare what we *perceive* with what our experience has taught us to expect. Nowhere is this more in play than the demands of adaptation that both SV and progressive eyewear make on our visual system. Our total experience with ophthalmic lenses is not all just the hard science of optics...it is significantly colored by the influence evolution made on our primitive brains to efficiently process the overhwlming input of sensory stimuli of any type, including visual.

For these reasons (and others), I *am* inmmediately suspicious of any approach or lens that suggests that ultra-precise measurements/execution is the path to visual nirvana. You'll have to forgive this failure of my intellect. That said, I do try to constantly challenge myself to keep an open mind...which is why I want to be your student.

Also, there is somewhat of a disconnect for me in your stated work constraints:

On one hand, you have access to and fit the widest variety and greatest levels of premium, expensive, and sophisticated PALs that I am presently aware of. Yet, by your own statements, you do not have "much time" to take measurements. This is a fundamental disconnect here from a, perhaps, cultural perspective. The selection and fitting of any true luxury products here in the US is not expected to be accompanied by a "slam, bam, thank you mam" approach.

And there are the unspoken issues of both the current precision of and questionable *absolute* nature of what we all start with when we sit done to dispense - today's refraction paradigm. Just how significant can the true impact of ever finer levels lens design and execution be when human vision is so fundamentally *fluid* in nature (even from morning to evening, in one day).

The above is meant to be part of an ongoing dialogue, and should *not* be construed as an attempt to participate in an ego-charged, emotionally-ladened debate.

The student is now respectfully ready for the teacher's guidance...

Barry

[chip anderson]

Isoptic: 1000 pairs a year is only 5 a day (5 day work week) or about 1 per hour, 15min. Does it really matter if you take 10 seconds or 10 minites mesuring seg heights? What's the rush. At those prices, the patient should get attention all day long.

Chip

[Bobie]

The most of customers at ISOPTIK are executive people like CEO , MD , President , Managing Director of big company who have nearly everything in their life except time.

In case that they have so much time , they can spend their time with my ophthalmologist and optometrist for primary eyecare or visual training.

We take care our customer fully 2 years for each eyeglasses without anycharge in all condition and also take the best care of their family for primary eyecare yearly.

In each country need Hi-End Eyeglasses Centre only one , but in big country like US may be can have in New York , LA , Washington DC and Chicago.

The hi-end eyeglasses centre working like 5 stars hotel that never have the low price of room like junk guest house or dirty motel.

The funny things in eyeglasses retail business around the world is , it is very difficult to find the place to get the best hi-end PALs when money is not the issue , but it is very easy to find out the place to get cheap as cheap possible PALs from every optical shop around the world , except ISOPTIK.

More funny thing is ISOPTIK located in Bangkok Thailand that you can buy 60 US$ PALs with frame from 1,000 optical shop every 500 meters in town.

But the price of PALs at ISOPTIK start from 1,272 US$ up and this price without any frame and not including eyetest fee and the price of lenses , frame at ISOPTIK are fixed price ( same price for everyone ) no matter how much you buy or how long you have been our customer or who you are.

Another strong point of ISOPTIK is we never discount , because another optical shop they get used to discount. This make ISOPTIK total difference from other.

By the way , I just do what I believe and I just get what I do and I try to sharing what I get for someone else. Lucky me that , I think difference , I do difference and I get difference and the rich customer like it , that all.

My next target is to changing the world to be better with my hi-end eyeglasses centre , and all partner are welcome.

All of Optiboard Discussion Forums are welcome at ISOPTIK!

:D

[conor]

Bobbie:

1. Your familiarity, understanding and experience with all types of PALs, including ones that promise a degree of sophistication and performance that we here in the US have no experience with, tempts me greatly to want to very much take up position along side you, with you as the *master*, and I has the humble student with much to learn and skills and knowledge to acquire.

2. My experience of 35 years as a dispensing optician has taught me, if nothing else, the following:
a. Eyewear never stays precisely in the place it was measured from, no matter how "accurate" the fitter's measurement.
b. The human eye is not a CCD or a camera, unlike the many analogies with often use. There is neural processing, millions of years of evolution of visual habits, and, not the least, our emotional evolution and development, which has been accompanied by the development of mirror neurons and their subsequent affect on how we compare what we *perceive* with what our experience has taught us to expect. Nowhere is this more in play than the demands of adaptation that both SV and progressive eyewear make on our visual system. Our total experience with ophthalmic lenses is not all just the hard science of optics...it is significantly colored by the influence evolution made on our primitive brains to efficiently process the overhwlming input of sensory stimuli of any type, including visual.

For these reasons (and others), I *am* inmmediately suspicious of any approach or lens that suggests that ultra-precise measurements/execution is the path to visual nirvana. You'll have to forgive this failure of my intellect. That said, I do try to constantly challenge myself to keep an open mind...which is why I want to be your student.

Also, there is somewhat of a disconnect for me in your stated work constraints:

On one hand, you have access to and fit the widest variety and greatest levels of premium, expensive, and sophisticated PALs that I am presently aware of. Yet, by your own statements, you do not have "much time" to take measurements. This is a fundamental disconnect here from a, perhaps, cultural perspective. The selection and fitting of any true luxury products here in the US is not expected to be accompanied by a "slam, bam, thank you mam" approach.

And there are the unspoken issues of both the current precision of and questionable *absolute* nature of what we all start with when we sit done to dispense - today's refraction paradigm. Just how significant can the true impact of ever finer levels lens design and execution be when human vision is so fundamentally *fluid* in nature (even from morning to evening, in one day).

The above is meant to be part of an ongoing dialogue, and should *not* be construed as an attempt to participate in an ego-charged, emotionally-ladened debate.

The student is now respectfully ready for the teacher's guidance...

Barry

May I point out that Bobi is a Thai person and, judging from his profile pic , a Chinese- Thai person at that . So , English would be his not second , but third language , behind Thai and Chinese . Maybe you should use plainer language?:D

[Happylady]

I use a penlight and a marker to measure progressives. I think I am very accurate but I don't try to do it in 5 seconds.

[Fezz]

Maybe you should use plainer language?:D

I am not familiar with the Plainers. What part of the world are they from. In the States, we have the Plains, but I have never heard them use "plainer language".

[conor]

I am not familiar with the Plainers. What part of the world are they from. In the States, we have the Plains, but I have never heard them use "plainer language".

I guess this is meant to be a joke but if you are serious.. plainer = not complicated . Try an online dictionary . Maybe you had too many pints of plain last night?:cheers:

[Fezz]

I guess this is meant to be a joke but if you are serious.. plainer = not complicated . Try an online dictionary . Maybe you had too many pints of plain last night?:cheers:

Welcome to Optiboard Conor!

;):cheers::cheers::D

[k12311997]

May I point out that Bobi is a Thai person and, judging from his profile pic , a Chinese- Thai person at that . So , English would be his not second , but third language , behind Thai and Chinese . Maybe you should use plainer language?:D

I guess this is meant to be a joke but if you are serious.. plainer = not complicated . Try an online dictionary . Maybe you had too many pints of plain last night?:cheers:

conor,

Bobi has had no problems or complaints of communicating with us Yanks, I think Fezz my have been trying to humorously point out that you were making prejudicial assumptions.

[JanMueller]

Like your work Bobie! I am in trouble because I don't think that the customer behaves in this measurement period the same way as he or she does when wearing the glasses. Everybody who is measured stands very stiff and not as he is used to when he walks around...
Why don't you use your Impressionist. When you make the photo you can better watch your customer if he behaves in an other way...
Like to learn much more from you, I have read any post so far and want to see much more.

[Bobie]

ImpressionIST is one of the best way to fitting Rodenstock Impression lenses for most of dispensing optician who are not expert about measurement Face Form Angle , Pantoscopic Tilt Angle , Corneal Vertex Distance , P.D. and Fitting Height.

The weak point of ImpressionIST are at below ;
1. the speed of CPU that always lacking for few seconds.

2. The quality of video is very low and look ugly on any frame that can make customer confuse to choose any frame.

I am going to modify ImpressionIST by upgrade mainboard , CPU , RAMM , graphic card and hard drive to Intel Core 2 DUO platform and will report the result on 2009.

ISOPTIK wishes to open more than 100 Hi-End Eyeglasses Centre around the world for service the wearer who would like to have master pieces of eyeglasses with state of the art technology. All partner who also believe that, " Life is too short to limit your vision " are welcome.


English is my thrid language. In case that anyone who would like to communicated with me at maximum level, they have to expert in Thai language or have to communicated with me at third level with English.

[JanMueller]

Rodenstock themself have modified the Impressionist to the Impressionist Advance coming this year. I have seen it at Rodenstock headquarter in Munich and was impressed by the new picture quality! Nice to hear from you! Learned much at your ISOPTIK website !!!

[Metronome]

Delete.

[MarcE]

Just dot the pupil on the demo w/ a Sharpie. Now you have the FH and the PD. And it is documented and available for a recheck when the lens is ordered.

Nothing could be quicker and it's nice to be able the verify the PD and FH before actually cutting those $600 lenses.

[obxeyeguy]

Borysko?? Is that you??