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    Would this be correct?

    I have been working out a few problems and something odd struck me:

    Sagittal Power = D * [ 1 + (sin^2(theta) / 2n)]

    Tangential Power = D * [ (2n + sin^2(theta)) / (2n*cos^2(theta)) ]

    Well we could rearrange the tangetial formula to read:

    Tangential Power = Sagittal Power / cos^2(theta)

    Wouldn't that be a heck of a lot easier to remember?
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    Did you do that right?

    You should run a sample equation both ways to make sure they come out the same.

    If so, then you have a simple enough formula to actually visualize the relationship between sagittal power and tangential power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryChiling View Post
    I have been working out a few problems and something odd struck me:

    Sagittal Power = D * [ 1 + (sin^2(theta) / 2n)]

    Tangential Power = D * [ (2n + sin^2(theta)) / (2n*cos^2(theta)) ]

    Well we could rearrange the tangetial formula to read:

    Tangential Power = Sagittal Power / cos^2(theta)

    Wouldn't that be a heck of a lot easier to remember?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryChiling View Post
    I have been working out a few problems and something odd struck me:

    Sagittal Power = D * [ 1 + (sin^2(theta) / 2n)]

    Tangential Power = D * [ (2n + sin^2(theta)) / (2n*cos^2(theta)) ]

    Well we could rearrange the tangetial formula to read:

    Tangential Power = Sagittal Power / cos^2(theta)

    Wouldn't that be a heck of a lot easier to remember?
    For instance,
    in the sagittal equation we have:

    Sagittal Power = D * [ 1 + (sin^2(theta) / 2n)]

    what is we said

    cucumber = 1 + sin^2(theta) / 2n

    now we can rewrite our equation to read:

    Sagittal Power = D * cucumber

    In the tangential equation we have the formula:

    Tangential Power = D * [ (2n + sin^2(theta)) / (2n*cos^2(theta)) ]

    If we were to pull out 1/cos^2(theta) from the equation we would have:

    Tangential Power = (1 / cos^2(theta)) * D * [ (2n + sin^2(theta)) / (2n) ]

    we can further simplify the last part of that equation:

    Tangential Power = (1 / cos^2(theta)) * D * [ 1 + (sin^2(theta) / 2n) ]

    Now that last part can be replaced with our previous example cucumber:

    Tangential Power = (1 / cos^2(theta)) * D * cucumber

    And D * cucumber is the Sagittal Power so we could rewrite it as:

    Tangential Power = (1 / cos^2(theta)) * Sagittal Power
    Tangential Power = Sagittal Power / cos^2(theta)

    To me that's a heck of a lot easier to remember than the previous formula and now I can memorize the sagittal formula and the relationship of the tangential power to the sagittal power. I was just wondering why more books don't present it that way, it seems easier to understand when simplified.

    PS - no cucumbers were harmed inthe makign of this example.
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    Somebody please get Harry a model to build, a sport, or a blasted therapist!


    He is screaming for help people!

    ;):cheers::D:cheers:;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fezz View Post
    Somebody please get Harry a model to build, a sport, or a blasted therapist!


    He is screaming for help people!

    ;):cheers::D:cheers:;)
    How about a model to fondle. :D I'll take two please.:cheers:
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    I always come to read Harry's posts in here when I start feeling like I may be more than just a reasonably intelligent guy. It brings me back to earth:hammer:
    Some people see the glass as half empty, some as half full. I see the glass and wonder what the radius of curvature is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crickett13 View Post
    I always come to read Harry's posts in here when I start feeling like I may be more than just a reasonably intelligent guy. It brings me back to earth:hammer:
    Dude you had my head spinning with your knowledge of ophthalmic lens processing so don't you even, I should be callign you a process engineering nerd. :D:cheers:
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    Hey as far as I'm concerned if I see the word Theta I assume we are talking about a college frat house.;)
    Some people see the glass as half empty, some as half full. I see the glass and wonder what the radius of curvature is.

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    Ok, Harry, nice post on the derivation. That's tough to do on a keyboard.

    Since you have really simplified the equation, can you characterize sagittal power and tangential power (of a lens?) and what angle theta is?

    Merely guessing: sagittal power is refracting ability of a lens with a normal incidence, and tangential power is with an extreme incident angle, and theta is angle from normal?

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    Harry, to answer your question more directly, Yes, the derivation is relatively straightforward when you divide the original equations through by 2n. Ultimately, this represents the relationship between Coddington's original equations...
    Darryl J. Meister, ABOM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darryl
    Ultimately, this represents the relationship between Coddington's original equations...
    Though I should add that this relationship is usually expressed as:

    Fs = Ft * cos^2 Theta
    Darryl J. Meister, ABOM

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryChiling View Post
    Dude you had my head spinning with your knowledge of ophthalmic lens processing so don't you even, I should be callign you a process engineering nerd. :D:cheers:
    Harry I'm changing my business card but I prefer process engineering geek.:p
    Some people see the glass as half empty, some as half full. I see the glass and wonder what the radius of curvature is.

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