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    Shamir and Luxotica Merger

    Has anyone else heard these rumors? Where do these start from? I called four local Lenscrafters today -three told me that they had never heard of PAL's called Genesis or Piccolo and one told me that the Genesis was made by Varilux and that they could order it for me-for a very steep additonal premium price.
    I would like to ask- do any of you all do this? Call local optical establishments and act stupid ( Unfortunatley I seem to be able to pull that off easily) . I am always amazed at what I am told- every time that I have done this, no matter the subject that I am inquiring about- I am given some information that is so far wrong that it is shameful.If you are easily amused or very bored-shop the competition-it should make you feel a whole lot better about yourself!
    meanwhile- any thoughts on the Shamir & Lux rumor?
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    Shopper's Optical in Canada had the exclusive right to dispense Shamir lenses in the nation (there goes your oh so wonderful independent lens company).

    Luxottica recently acquired Shopper's and changed it into Pearle Vision. This could be where the rumour came from.

    I would have some difficulty believing it. If Lux were to buy a lens company I would assume that the company would have to have as wide of a selection as possible so the it does not have to shop around as much. Shamir has a narrow selection compared to other companies, and does not even have an AR that it uses in North America (though I found one AR called Glacier that it said it was doing).

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    You mean they own THAT too?

    My wife recently had a Pap Shamir test, and fortunately, everything was cool.
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    Redhot Jumper Shamir is major mold supplier......................

    Quote Originally Posted by For-Life View Post
    Shamir has a narrow selection compared to other companies,

    You should know and not forget that Shamir started out and still is one of the most important mold manufacturers, making your well liked progressive lens molds for many of the major corporations

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    You should know and not forget that Shamir started out and still is one of the most important mold manufacturers, making your well liked progressive lens molds for many of the major corporations
    don't worry, I will not forget ;)

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    I love my bagels with a Shamir of cream cheese.

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    I think the rumor is Bull Shamir

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    Big Smile I laughed out loud

    Quote Originally Posted by DocInChina View Post
    I love my bagels with a Shamir of cream cheese.

    Now thats a good pun!

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    c'mon if Lux was gonna buy anyone it would be Essilor......or vice versa:hammer:

    I have to say that I have more trouble believing a lens/frame merger than some other possibilities

    Although then perhaps they will make a private label Eye Med lens called "forthegoyim"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    You should know and not forget that Shamir started out and still is one of the most important mold manufacturers, making your well liked progressive lens molds for many of the major corporations
    What I think is interesting is that many of those well liked progressive molds that I (and others) suspect are made by Shamir have MFH of 17 and 18mm. However, Shamir doesn't have any lenses that have MFH = to 17 or 18. And they don't seem to be interested in making any, since their newer Creation has a 19mm MFH just like the Genesis.

    So Shamir made a 17mm MFH (which would have greatly improved their competitiveness, IMO) and sold it off? Hmm.


    ----WARNING - HIJACKED THREAD AHEAD---
    If Lux were to buy a lens company, who would it be? What would be the best fit? Who COULD they get? I love to speculate. It's the first step to a good rumor.
    Younger, not diversified enough
    Essilor, Ziess, Hoya, too big
    Shamir - decent guess
    Signet Armorlite - Maybe
    TOG - no, they don't like poly
    But my number one pick is VisionEase. They make their lenses in Polar and now Photo (great for 2nd pair sales). They specilize in poly. And have I heard a rumor that they may be vulnerable? But they don't make their own molds.
    What would be your pick?

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    Dammitt! I was writing a letter to DocInChina with my quill and ink, I spilled my ale, and Shamired the whole damn letter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcE View Post
    What I think is interesting is that many of those well liked progressive molds that I (and others) suspect are made by Shamir have MFH of 17 and 18mm. However, Shamir doesn't have any lenses that have MFH = to 17 or 18. And they don't seem to be interested in making any, since their newer Creation has a 19mm MFH just like the Genesis.

    So Shamir made a 17mm MFH (which would have greatly improved their competitiveness, IMO) and sold it off? Hmm.

    Shamir has the Piccalo at 16mm

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    What I have been told is that Essilor and others list their MFH as the *absolute* minimum. Where as Shamir lists the preferred min. How many of you have had their rep show you the difference in reading area between the various short corridors comparing it to the piccolo. If you look at their side by side comparisons of plots, the piccolo supposedly has more reading area at 14 high than what Ellipse and co have.

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    On the other ideas...

    I agree VE would be a company that Lux would be interested in. They support their LifeRx series, use their polar lenses, Tegra SV, and other stock lenses and blanks..

    I wouldn't be suprised if in the future Shamir and Lux will break their agreement off in Canada...


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    You should know and not forget that Shamir started out and still is one of the most important mold manufacturers, making your well liked progressive lens molds for many of the major corporations
    For which "major" corporations, exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jubilee View Post
    What I have been told is that Essilor and others list their MFH as the *absolute* minimum. Where as Shamir lists the preferred min. How many of you have had their rep show you the difference in reading area between the various short corridors comparing it to the piccolo. If you look at their side by side comparisons of plots, the piccolo supposedly has more reading area at 14 high than what Ellipse and co have.
    Also, my experience is that some of the other progressive lens mfgs that we have heard buy their lens designs and molds from Shamir set their minimum fitting height at 85% of the total add power. Check out the power at the deepest point of the reading area of a Definity at 20mm high, or a Comfort at 18mm high, and see if what you read on your lensometer corresponds to the add power inscribed on the lens. In my experience, they don't. A supposed 2.50 add will read 2.25 at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by optirep View Post
    I think the rumor is Bull Shamir
    Hey, that's my local baseball team!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darryl Meister View Post
    For which "major" corporations, exactly?

    I've been told that the Younger Image is a Shamir mold.
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    Lux & Shamir = Laverne & Shirley?

    "Shamir, Shamozzle, Luxottica Incorporated"

    <Starts theme song>:bbg::bbg:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Weiss View Post
    Also, my experience is that some of the other progressive lens mfgs that we have heard buy their lens designs and molds from Shamir set their minimum fitting height at 85% of the total add power. Check out the power at the deepest point of the reading area of a Definity at 20mm high, or a Comfort at 18mm high, and see if what you read on your lensometer corresponds to the add power inscribed on the lens. In my experience, they don't. A supposed 2.50 add will read 2.25 at best.
    85% of 2.50 is 2.125...out of ANSI tolerances no matter how you look at it.

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    I've been told that the Younger Image is a Shamir mold.
    I have no doubt that some of the smaller companies may use OEM lens designs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darryl Meister View Post
    I have no doubt that some of the smaller companies may use OEM lens designs.
    My guess would be that AO, SOLA, or Zeiss have never used molds from another manufacturer. Am I correct.
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    My guess would be that AO, SOLA, or Zeiss have never used molds from another manufacturer. Am I correct
    You are correct; we've never had a need to buy OEM lens designs. Each Carl Zeiss Vision brand has their own lens design team, with a great deal of IP in progressive lens design.

    For that matter, I doubt that the Essilor and Varilux brands have ever used OEM lens designs, either. Of course, Essilor acquired the Definity design from their acquisition of much of Johnson & Johnson's spectacle lens division, but even still it isn't really branded as an "Essilor" or "Varilux" product.
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    I wonder which companies are using OEM?
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    Really, my only point is that the "major" manufacturers generally don't. Small manufacturers, on the other hand, may find it more economically feasible to use OEM designs.
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