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    Essilor's new Pal exclusive to Vision Source

    Anyone have any information on the new lens Essilor is offering exclusively to Vision Source members beginning June 1st?

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    I hear it's an Ovation . Anyway, that's the rumor that I am starting.

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    I'm curious. Is Vision Source a third party? If it is, my Varilux allegiance is going to wane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcE View Post
    I hear it's an Ovation . Anyway, that's the rumor that I am starting.
    LOL

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    I heard it is supernoline with Digital back side surfacing

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    My sources say:

    The will call their new lenses "Tru Clear" and Tru Clear HD". These are the same lenses as the Physio and Physio 360. They will be available only through Essilor labs.
    They are also going to have private labled Crizal and Crizal Alize. They will be called "Viso" and "Viso-XC"

    I don't see this as a real big deal as Essilor has been making two versions of the same progressive design for years. One they market to private and one they market to commercial. Essilor and Vision Source simply made a deal. For Vision Source they get a good, but not great, price. For Essilor they get more of the Vision Source business going to the Essilor owned labs.

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    So the same lenses already available to you but now renamed to make it a VS lens...And the VS name is not even included

    Brilliant!

    Hey, I just put a logo sticker on a physio box-I now have my own line too...

    Essilor really goes above and beyond to make you feel all warm & cozy...

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    Engravings

    I hear this new lens has "VS" engravings..... ?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADO View Post
    My sources say:

    The will call their new lenses "Tru Clear" and Tru Clear HD". These are the same lenses as the Physio and Physio 360. They will be available only through Essilor labs.
    They are also going to have private labled Crizal and Crizal Alize. They will be called "Viso" and "Viso-XC"
    Now Vision source can sell the same high quality that Wal-mart sells.*

    * For background information search threads on Wal-Mart and Freeform progressives

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    Question, what would you prefer. A supplier selling product in those places under the same name or under a different name?

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    Not sure....

    I would guess it would be better if a supplier sold to these places under a different name. Having said that, if the product is sold at a deep discount to a certain segment or group, then I believe that would be a bigger threat. I would be curious to hear others' take on this.

    Nevertheless, it seems like smart marketing on the supplier's part. If I were a non-member, however, I am not so sure I would care to pay a premium for the same product while my competition is paying alot less. Especially if I had been supporting that same supplier for many years. I would feel as though I were helping to subsidize these special deals....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee H View Post
    if the product is sold at a deep discount to a certain segment or group, then I believe that would be a bigger threat. I would be curious to hear others' take on this.
    Well, as an independent lab who cannot compete with the deep discounts VS Docs get (although for 4% of their gross-or whatever-it had better be a good discount :hammer: ) this is another in a long line of frustrations for me. Although to defend Essilor (yes I said that) they were trying to hold onto these guys who would likely jump to whichever manufacturer would give them the best deal. We even called VS to see if we could be a participating lab and they said no thanks.....

    I can say that it does chap my hide that I was having some success with a few Docs who were getting Varilux from me because their lab of choice was not authorized and this will likely kill that. :shiner: ? Ain't the optical business grand??
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    Wave

    Our reps answer - this lens is a "hybrid" of Essilor PAL technologies and not one particular lens design. Now how is that for the best marketing speak ever?
    Karen- we feel your pain.
    Florida Optician;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florida Optician View Post
    Our reps answer - this lens is a "hybrid" of Essilor PAL technologies and not one particular lens design. Now how is that for the best marketing speak ever?
    Karen- we feel your pain.
    You guys should take some action and wane off Essilor's products if you don't like their business practices. They are not the only game in town although they would like to think so. I was at a conference recently and when asked by an Essilor lab rep why I wasn't giving them more business I told them that by me not giving them more business they could spend more time selling lenses to Walmart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golfnorth View Post
    You guys should take some action and wane off Essilor's products if you don't like their business practices. They are not the only game in town although they would like to think so. I was at a conference recently and when asked by an Essilor lab rep why I wasn't giving them more business I told them that by me not giving them more business they could spend more time selling lenses to Walmart.
    Love it!

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    You're arguing with a 5 year old post?
    RT

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    Slow day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RT View Post
    You're arguing with a 5 year old post?
    Ha! Guess I should have read the dates. Was posting from a tablet so I struggled enough.

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    As the saying goes..........that's sort of removing all doubt! At least he's showing us all the Giant Killers are not asleep!

    This thread is essentially about marketing (my minor in B school) Why does everyone get so upset when someone else does a better job of marketing than we do. Be happy for them,,,,, and it's OK to BORROW from them too! Maybe we WILL get better someday.
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