Had anyone fit the Supercede and Succeed Lenses? They are both Internal Free-Form Lenses, but why is there price different? If I am fitting for a 20mm seg ht., which lenses should I go for? Would Supercede better?
Seiko Supercede vs Succeed Internal Free-Form
Had anyone fit the Supercede and Succeed Lenses? They are both Internal Free-Form Lenses, but why is there price different? If I am fitting for a 20mm seg ht., which lenses should I go for? Would Supercede better?
Does Supercede, Proceed the Succeed?
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The only different I know is that...
Superced Internal Free-Form has minimum fitting height of 14mm
Succeed Internal Free-From has minimum fitting height of 17mm
Fezz said:I think the difference has a great deal to do with the Seiko Optical marketing plans. The Supercede is only available in Canada at this time.Does Supercede, Proceed the Succeed?
It is presented a different lens design. Differences in coridor lengths in the designs (approx. 1mm). The way the add power is addressed.
When so few opticians know anything about one freeform design from a company it is very confusing to have multiple designs.
To work with individualized lenses you need to find a provider who can answer your questions about their designs so that they are properly fitted. As with any PAL, poor fitting causes major problems.
We routinely use both designs, and they work very well. Supercede has a shorter minimum fitting ht.
I wear and use the Succeed lens....it is the best progressive lens that I've ever worn. Previously I have worn Panamic, Physio and Physio 360.Originally Posted by AWTECH
I have been told that the Superceed is even better than the Succeed. Apparently it's like having an extra +.25 add in your reading area it is so clear.
I plan to have a pair to trial in the next few weeks.
Regards,
Golfnorth
While Succeed is an excellent lens Supercede is absolute state of the art. Supercede has a totally compensated aspheric reading and intermediate area. It might be the best progressive lens in the market today.
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Yes Succed is good, but Supercede is definately better. The reading and intermediate is vastily improved. Physio is a very good lens but not as good as Supercede, not even close. Because of the Seiko patent Essilor has to split the progressive between the front and back side. When the progressive is put strictly on the back the lens is far superior. That is why Seiko patented this technology about 15 years ago
Yeah, Seiko's got the patent for back-side, Shamir's got the patent for the back-side, Rodenstock has the patent for the back side...I've heard them all.
But only Seiko is made in Canada. Im wearing Supercede and it is the best progreessive I have ever worn.
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I am not sure about in the US but both designs are available in Canada. While Supercede is the best I have ever worn, Succeed is definately better than any conventional front side progressive. Succeed is less expensive so that would probably be the reason some dispensers use it.
Lensman2007 said:[QUOTE][That is why Seiko patented this technology about 15 years ago/QUOTE]
The US patent was issued in February of 2000, and Seiko-Epson filed for the US patent in 1997.
The patent still has a good deal of life left in it. It is not 15 years old. Seiko-Epson has been producing backside designed lenses for about 12 to 15 years.
drk said:The fact is the Shamir patent is different than the Seiko-Epson patent and it was issued in 2003 I believe.Yeah, Seiko's got the patent for back-side, Shamir's got the patent for the back-side, Rodenstock has the patent for the back side...I've heard them all.
The First Issued US patent related to backside PALs with spherical front surfaces was granted to Seiko-Epson in 2000.
drk- "Heard them all." And actually looking them up on at www.uspto.gov are two different methods of obtaining information. A sales rep is probably relating what he has been told by his marketing department.
Being from Canada I am not aware of the US patent situation. But I am pretty sure that Seiko developed this technology in Japan in the early 1990's. Regardless, I have worn countless designs and these are far and above the best lenses I have ever worn.
lensman2007 said:You are correct, to my knowledge there are no patent problems with backside designs in Canada. I guess large multi-national companies think in terms of protecting the largest markets and assume may of the smaller markets like Canada will follow.Being from Canada I am not aware of the US patent situation.
Doesn't back-side design affect the edges thickness of the lenses?
susu_k said:A good backside designed freeform lens does effect the edge thickness when compared to a traditional cast frontside lens.Doesn't back-side design affect the edges thickness of the lenses?
Also of note to properly produce a freeform lens you must know how to manage the data that is used to make the calculations. This means two labs offering the same freeform products could actually produces lenses with different edge thicknesses, but with the same basic lens design.
I see that seiko is supply by a indepent lab here in Canada but my question is What RF coating can you use on it?
Any coating that you want although Plastic Plus has an ABE policy in place so they will recommend UTMC product....oh ABE = Anything But Essilor. lol
Regards,
Golfnorth
See that is the problem. I have used UTMC and I have used CHC (as another lab we may know of pushes hard) and they do not stand up in the way that Crizal or Super Hi-Vision does.
It may be a good lens, but if I cannot trust the coating then it is worthless.
Please re-read my post. You can get ANY AR coating on the Seiko progressives. If asked for a recommendation Plastic Plus may mention the UTMC product first but that doesn't mean that you cannot get an Essilor coating. Plastic Plus' order forms have AR caotings listed from ALL companies Essilor included.
I hope this clarifies my earlier post.
Regards,
Golfnorth
if plastic plus offers UMTC on the the lenses will they warranty a essilor coating on the lens
I have been approached by one of our labs to an introductory deal for the seiko succeed. They are apparently purchasing the equipment to process the succeed on site and are offering a deal to a few opticals to introduce the lens. We have to commit to a min. of 10 prs a month and in return they will comp us back 50%. While this is a yummy deal on the outside, it's not worth having 10 people a month coming back with issues. So, from what I'm hearing here, it sounds like the lens is worth the gamble, right? Another thing I liked about it was that while it comes with AR, we can request it without.
It is a no brainer. You are being offered a state of the art lens with a huge discount. You will have virtually no dissatisfied patients with Seiko.
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