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    Gradal Top-Zeiss Advice

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    I have to help a collegue improve her ability to dispense lenses. I am very big on Zeiss and techincally I know why Zeiss lenses are preferred by me. But can anybody recommended a way for me to explain to my lay member of staff why CZ PAL's are better than other ones. We cannot dispense the Individual as they practice prefers the Ysis lens, however i have dispensed the Indivdual with great success before. I'm an Optometrist by the way, so most patients will go with my recommendations, however i need some way of teaching the lay memebers of staff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henchos View Post
    Hi guys,

    I have to help a collegue improve her ability to dispense lenses. I am very big on Zeiss and techincally I know why Zeiss lenses are preferred by me. But can anybody recommended a way for me to explain to my lay member of staff why CZ PAL's are better than other ones. We cannot dispense the Individual as they practice prefers the Ysis lens, however i have dispensed the Indivdual with great success before. I'm an Optometrist by the way, so most patients will go with my recommendations, however i need some way of teaching the lay memebers of staff

    Thanks
    If you had dispensed the Individual with great success before, why do want to switch to Gradal Top now?

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    My new practice is a multiple and does not like Individuals being dispensed ,they have a custon made lens called 'Ysis'. It much easier to recommend a 'Ziess' to a patient as they know it as a well known manufacturer,as opposed to the Ysis!

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    Obviously, Carl Zeiss has a long, rich history in the precision, medical, industrial, and consumer optical industries, so there is some inherent "brand" value in the name.

    Brandname aside, there are generally several "technical" features and benefits that ZEISS provides when discussing the optical performance of Gradal progressives, and why they are considered "premium" lens designs. These features often focus on engineering precision and technical sophistication, including the use of flattened aspheric profiles, an extended number of Base curves, variable near insets, horizontal symmetry, optical optimization for the position of wear (using splines), etcetera. Basically, the lenses are designed by people who have a genuine appreciation for the "art" of lens design. There are also some other design traits characteristic of Gradal progressives, such as a carefully managed power profile that minimizes unwanted Plus power around the fitting cross while providing a vertically stable zone of reading power at near.

    From a more layperson-oriented perspective, the visual benefits of these features are probably more meaningful. The extended number of aspheric Base curves and optical optimization for the position of wear ensure maximum visual clarity in the central viewing zones. Variable near insets and horizontal symmetry ensure extremely comfortable, uninterrupted binocular vision. Gradal Top has also been designed with a soft periphery, wide progressive channel entry, and virtually no astigmatism above the 180 line of the lens, for a truly single-vision-like viewing experience that affords the wearer with fast adaptation.
    Darryl J. Meister, ABOM

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    Darryl speaks from a professional viewpoint.

    Here's an idea from a layman, but with experience in optical related fields:

    http://www.zeiss.de/4125680f0053a38d...256a11002ad58d

    THAT should take you straight to the Zeiss product page for the Gradal Top E.

    If you click on some of the navigation "links" on this page, you may find some verbiage and diagrams that you could lift and use. Sort of like talking to a Carl Zeiss rep - without the rep.



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    I agree with Darryl.
    Yes , Zeiss PALs is a brandname PALs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henchos View Post
    My new practice is a multiple and does not like Individuals being dispensed ,they have a custon made lens called 'Ysis'. It much easier to recommend a 'Ziess' to a patient as they know it as a well known manufacturer,as opposed to the Ysis!
    Wait, I'm confused. Are you saying that this is YOUR practice and your staff is arguing you on what lenses to use? If that's the case, I think they might need to remember who writes their pay checks!
    And maybe this is just a language barrier thing, but I think I personally would be quite offended if I was referred to as a "lay employee" which is a term used back in the day for those who were not royalty.

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    ... and maybe this is just a language barrier thing, but I think I personally would be quite offended if I was referred to as a "lay employee" - which is a term used back in the day for those who were not royalty.
    The post (at very top) reads "lay member of staff". That doesn't sound like a put-down to me. I think that poster was just trying to distinguish in a respectful way between the ODs and the opticians. Of course, I'm not an optician. But I would like to point out that the poster's location is "london". Sounds like the same big London we all know about. And I'm guessing that the phrase "lay member of staff", as heard or read by someone in the United Kingdom - especially in the way it was used here (at the very top) - doesn't sound like a put-down on that side of the Atlantic. Even if it grates on some of OUR ears.

    Just a thought I wanted to offer, since a point was made about this.

    Perhaps some other UK members will see this and comment.


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    Carl Zeiss PAL's are not neccessarily better than other PAL's on the market, nor are they necessarily the best. I would argue that there are lenses from the Essilor, Shamir, Seiko, Hoya, and other lines that work just as well.

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    I would argue that there are lenses from the Essilor, Shamir, Seiko, Hoya, and other lines that work just as well
    Even if that were the case, they don't like you guys as much as I do. ;)
    Darryl J. Meister, ABOM

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    Awe, thanks Darryl!
    I actually had a recent problem with a pt wearing a GT who we put in a Physio. He did not like the new design whatsoever, so we remade them to a GT, and all was well again!

    As far as the "lay employee" thing, I guess it's just a culture difference!

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    He did not like the new design whatsoever, so we remade them to a GT, and all was well again!
    Unfortunately, we are forced to design progressive lenses that work well for the average individual when selling semi-finished lens blanks. However, due to the particular vocational or recreational needs of some individuals, or even to certain prescription combinations, some lens designs may be preferable to others. Gradal Top, for instance, has one of the widest distance zones available, but with less emphasis on near utility. While GT2 represents a more sensible balance for the vast majority of wearers, you may still have those who prefer the viewing zone configuration of Gradal Top... Just as you may have certain wearers engaged in primarily near-oriented viewing tasks who might prefer a lens like SOLAMAX to either GT2 or Gradal Top. Nevertheless, for most wearers, particularly if you are not certain of their specific visual requirements, GT2 is still the best choice.

    As far as the "lay employee" thing
    We need to also keep in mind the fact that not necessarily all employees at an optometric practice are dispensers with optical training. Office managers, pre-test technicians, or similar support staff without extensive cross-training could be considered a "layperson" in matters of optics and lenses, for instance.
    Darryl J. Meister, ABOM

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