crizal like AR

[labrat0274]

Can anyone suggest an AR coating similar to Crizal that is not manufactured by Essilor? We want to be able to stock semi finished progressives and single vision lenses but be able to send them out for AR. I've been very happy with Crizal but we will not be using Essilor any longer. Is there an AR (similar to ALize) that is compatible with Life Rx from Vision Ease? Any ideas would be helpful.

[Jacqui]

Zeiss ?? Check with Laramy-k http://www.laramyk.com/index.html

[LENNY]

Zeiss!

[optigrrl]

Hoya, I-coat, Pentax?

[DocInChina]

Can anyone suggest an AR coating similar to Crizal that is not manufactured by Essilor? We want to be able to stock semi finished progressives and single vision lenses but be able to send them out for AR. I've been very happy with Crizal but we will not be using Essilor any longer. Is there an AR (similar to ALize) that is compatible with Life Rx from Vision Ease? Any ideas would be helpful.

Why not just stock lenses with an AR coating similar to the Crizal? It would be less expensive then sending out uncoated lenses and applying the AR coating.

Also, you can purchase semi-finished lenses with a front surface Crizal like AR coating as well.

Doc

[LENNY]

Doc !
And what do you do with the back side of SF lens?!

[labrat0274]

We are wanting the AR mostly for progressives and are thinking about stocking Outlook and Illumina. So I need to send them to an AR lab to coat them. We would also stock some finished AR coated product but I don't want a tradition "coated"AR like real eyes. I really like the Crizal product but as I said we aren't using Essilor lenses anymore. We surface and finish in our lab but do not AR coat. We can apply back said scratch coating though.

[harry888]

Labrat,

Call your Visionease rep for advice on what a/r will work best with illumina and outlook.

Harry

[AWTECH]

Many labs have good AR services. PM me or e-mail me and I will give you some direction.

[Dot the Eye]

Just curious ... why are you no longer using Essilor?

Dottie

[LENNY]

I thought that Outlook is discontinued!?

[Grubendol]

My call goes to Zeiss for unfinished as well.

[DocInChina]

Doc !
And what do you do with the back side of SF lens?!

Lenny, good questions. Some companies have ordered semi-finished lenses this way from me and I figured they were applying the back surface AR after processing (or maybe they didn't).

[LENNY]

That bugs me too!
If they apply AR to the back side it would be a different color!
Doc !
Can you please find out!

[DocInChina]

That bugs me too!
If they apply AR to the back side it would be a different color!
Doc !
Can you please find out!

I don't think the labs in the US modify the AR colors typically but we are able to match AR coating colors here. We have had some of these companies send us their coating labs AR sample and they asked us to match the color. This way when they send the processed lenses out the AR coatings matched. We have not received feed back from other companies we sell to and truthfully it does not matter to me. What my customer wants, my customer will get. :bbg:

One company is buying single vision semi-finished this way

[Chris Ryser]

I don't think the labs in the US modify the AR colors typically but we are able to match AR coating colors here.

The color hue is given by adding metal oxides when coating. So actually changing the color is not such a big deal,.............but I guess the large corporations are linking their name to the color they promote and the retailer wants any other lens to look like the corporations product.

[EyeFitWell]

In my opinion, Zeiss and Alize are as different as can be! Zeiss does not (to my knowledge?) provide a two year scratch warranty, and it does not have a hydrophobic coat. It's been about two years since I used Zeiss, but I had a pair of glasses with Zeiss Blue, and BOY was it hard to clean, easy to scratch, and just a general pain in the rear. In fact, if I were a customer, I probably would have been forever spoiled on the idea of AR after wearing zeiss. Now I have a pair with Alize and it's night and day.

[Chris Ryser]

In my opinion, Zeiss and Alize are as different as can be!

Made on the same type machines, using the same basic materials these coatings are made the same basic way and are like single egg twins.

Zeiss does not (to my knowledge?) provide a two year scratch warranty, and it does not have a hydrophobic coat.

You are paying for your scratch warranty out front...........there is nothing in this world that is for free..........like life or health insurance

In fact, if I were a customer, I probably would have been forever spoiled on the idea of AR after wearing zeiss. Now I have a pair with Alize and it's night and day.

Zeiss has a long history of AR coating lenses, long before the Alize manufacturer was even born. Besides that there many other AR coating companies that make similar products that are as good.

:finger:

[Grubendol]

zeiss practically invented it and Carat Advantage, to my mind at least is superior to Alize, maybe not clear guard, but definitely Alize.

[labrat0274]

no Outlook isn't discontinued, it was hard to stock for a while due to severe back order problems, that's why we switched to Essilor to begin with, I agree Crizal Alize is great but we want to surface the progressives ourselves. We aren't going to be using Essilor due to pricing problems. Does anyone have input on Seiko lenses and Pentax? Like the Surpass AR?

[igirl]

Made on the same type machines, using the same basic materials these coatings are made the same basic way and are like single egg twins.


:finger:

Depends on which level of Zeiss AR though. Their standard base level blue Zeiss is not comparable to Alize- but is considerably cheaper. The Carat Advantage is close in price and I would agree with the single egg twins analogy. Since it has been two years since she wore them, I'm guessing it was the standard Zeiss.

[labbrat]

Zeiss Carat Advantage has an outstanding track record for our lab. The combination of their Foundation scratchcoat, AR and Advantage hydrophobics is a proven performer. One of my customers put his glasses through the laundry...washer and dryer!! One of his temple ends snapped off but the lenses were perfect..not a scratch on them!!
Advantage is also available in Zeiss set and gold, also gold, silver and blue mirrors. WE LOVE IT

[For-Life]

Zeiss Carat Advantage has an outstanding track record for our lab. The combination of their Foundation scratchcoat, AR and Advantage hydrophobics is a proven performer. One of my customers put his glasses through the laundry...washer and dryer!! One of his temple ends snapped off but the lenses were perfect..not a scratch on them!!
Advantage is also available in Zeiss set and gold, also gold, silver and blue mirrors. WE LOVE IT

ya, the dryer is a good test, because that is about 60 minutes of heat.

[Chris Ryser]

Their standard base level blue Zeiss is not comparable to Alize- but is considerably cheaper.

There are many colors available, all metal oxydes that evaporated onto the lens. Zeiss or Essilor want to have a different color each, but if another coater uses the same material you would not be able to tell the difference.

[For-Life]

I like the blue much better. Crizal's blue is actually advertised to have more light transmission.