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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterCrafter View Post
    I mean their the ones who want to raise taxes on everybody else. No one is stopping them from sending more to the feds at tax time.
    Just return the rate to what it was under Reagan.

    You remember- The good old prosperous days we all long for!

    Thirty years of trickle down economics-- How's that been working for the middle class? W gave us second helpings and now we should ask for a third?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterCrafter View Post
    Then your forgetting ANWR oil reserves. Drilling off the coast of florida. Bearing Sea oil drilling. The US has the largest oil and natural gas reserves in the world!!

    Simple math man

    PS : almost forgot the Utah oil sands, plus Canada's oil supply. we have enough in North America for all of us here and then some
    Let's give them a million barrels a day each, I'm feeling generous, that's 4 Million Barrels a day out of 20 Million needed and you've possibly ruined Florida and Alaska seafood, tourism and livelihoods again.

    Where's the other 80%?

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    Quote Originally Posted by braheem24 View Post
    Let's give them a million barrels a day each, I'm feeling generous, that's 4 Million Barrels a day out of 20 Million needed and you've possibly ruined Florida and Alaska seafood, tourism and livelihoods again.

    Where's the other 80%?
    I dont know where your getting your numbers. But North America has more oil than any other continent

    Quote Originally Posted by shanbaum View Post
    It takes around 1.3 gallons of oil (or its equivalent) to make a gallon of ethanol. So, maybe not a great idea from that standpoint.
    Exactly... another great point from Shanbaum.

    plus any semi-intelligent person knows that driving up the cost of food hurts the less fortunate people the most!!

    Fact: there is only so much corn grown... using that for fuel means less food!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by shanbaum View Post
    Not even close. Look it up. (We're closer to the top for gas, at #5, than we are on oil, at #14). Note that Canada is a distinct country.
    Yea Canada is EH? and they have a whole lot a oil!!



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    Sheeshhh...there goes my hybrid thread. we're talking cars here not politics.

    Why does everything that's wrong with our country have to be the liberals fault, but everything good was done by conservatives? And remember good and bad is in the eye of the beholder in most cases. Anyway...

    That survey on hybrid owners not buying another one is faulty at best. How many people would buy say, another Ford Focus, or Volkswagon Beetle? If you ask Prius owners if they would buy again, you would get a much different answer than you would get from somebody that bout a Ford Escape or Malibu hybrid or even a Honda Civic or Camry hybrid.

    Sad but true, Prius and the new Prius C are in a class by themselves.

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    Master:
    You're probably right on most of what you say, but take it from me argueing with Liberals is beating a dead horse.
    Soon you like me will be classed as an ultra right wing extreemist.

    Chip

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    "As national policy, we must protect the U.S. economy from interruptions in the supply of such a critical commodity—whether those interruptions are related to natural or political causes. I believe that the appropriate aim is to strengthen our ability to adjust to such changes—to strengthen our energy resilience. We can do that by increasing our reliance on electricity." -Andy Grove

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    There is something wrong with only thinking in terms of left and right. And categorizing your friends as left or right. Or choosing your religion based on left or right. Or deciding which president you are loyal to based on left or right. Damn it, we're all in this together.

    Now back to cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fjpod View Post
    Now back to cars.
    Page 8? This car has long left the garage!

    What we need is a big breakthrough in battery technology. But I fear it will come at great environmental cost.

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    If you're looking for a city/suburban commuter car that has a range of 75-100 miles, is fairly light weight, the batteries are here now. If you're looking for a seven seater crossover that you can pack the wife and kids into and drive to disneyland with only one stop for refueling, you'll be waiting a lonnnnnnngg time.

    different cars for different situations...Just so everybody knows,...besides my Prius which is my daily commuter car, I have a Dodge Journey crossover, and GMC Safari Van. Each one fits a different need. When I want to feel like a commie-liberal, I drive my Prius. When I want to be a caution-be-damned conservative, I drive the Safari. If I'm feeling non-committal, I drive the Dodge crossover with the four-banger.

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    I think the charge time is the biggest problem keeping the small electric car from the proletariat. Aren't we close to a portal on the car that will let us plug in a new/pre-charged cell? If it only takes the same amount of time as a fill-up I think they'll become much more popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fjpod View Post
    Sheeshhh...there goes my hybrid thread. we're talking cars here not politics.
    The reality is Liberals are the ones who politicized cars.

    I am fine driving my internal combustion engine.

    Why is that "evil" ??

    Fjpod.. cars are polarized in this country now. So any time you talk about electric cars you are pushing a left leaning idea.

    For one - where are we going to get all that electicity from?



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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterCrafter View Post
    The reality is Liberals are the ones who politicized cars.

    I am fine driving my internal combustion engine.

    Why is that "evil" ??

    Fjpod.. cars are polarized in this country now. So any time you talk about electric cars you are pushing a left leaning idea.

    For one - where are we going to get all that electicity from?
    Sorry, I don't buy that. You've heard the expression?? "If Bulls$$it were electricity, you'd be a powerhouse"?
    Please don't be offended, I just thought it was funny. My father often used to use this expression.

    The sun produces more energy in one minute than the entire world can use in one year. I feel safer using sunshine than sucking oil out of the ground. One of these days, we're all going to fall into a giant sinkhole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterCrafter View Post
    The reality is Liberals are the ones who politicized cars.

    I am fine driving my internal combustion engine.

    Why is that "evil" ??

    Fjpod.. cars are polarized in this country now. So any time you talk about electric cars you are pushing a left leaning idea.

    For one - where are we going to get all that electicity from?

    I think you're right; you can thank liberals for seat belts, air bags, emission controls and the resulting cleaner air, bumpers that withstand minor impact, steering columns that don't impale, and increased fuel efficiency. All that gubmint interference in the "free market."

    As far as from where all that electricity will come, it will come mostly from (domestically-produced) natural-gas-fired power plants, which are far more efficient, and cleaner, than internal-combustion engines.
    Last edited by shanbaum; 05-02-2012 at 02:13 PM. Reason: typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanbaum View Post
    I think you're right; you can thank liberals for seat belts, air bags, emission controls and the resulting cleaner air, bumpers that withstand minor impact, steering columns that don't impale, and increased fuel efficiency. All that gubmint interference in the "free market."
    Yea, but those same libs want to put us all in smart cars... how safe are those?

    Quote Originally Posted by shanbaum View Post
    As far as from where all that electricity will come, it will come mostly from (domestically-produced) natural-gas-fired power plants, which are far more efficient, and cleaner, than internal-combusion engines.
    Sounds great.... but until that day is here.. don't punish us in the meantime. Besides most green people do not like natural gas as it is a "fossil fuel". Hence it is bad. These are the same people that told us how clean ethanol was and that the squiggly light bulb was going to save the planet. Now they know ethanol is worse than gas and the squiggly light bulb is a haz mat nightmare.

    I mean Al Bore runs around lecturing us all on our carbon footprint. In the meantime his CF is HUGE

    Chip: I hear you. It's like beating your head against a wall. They have all these great idea's about how they wanna spend "other peoples" money, and tell everyone how to live thier lives. Lets face it.. the man made global warming movement is about controlling people.

    Sorry Fjpod.... Cars and politics are married now



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    There is no support for the proposition that "libs want to put us in smart cars".

    It's not clear why you think that burning oil in an inefficient manner, of which, regardless of the US government's energy policy, the overwhemling preponderance will be produced in foreign and frequently antagonistic countries, is preferable to burning domestic gas or coal to power electric vehicles. The fact that "liberals" might not be happy about burning those fuels does not support your position in any way. And it's worth noting that ethanol subsidies, while introduced by Democrats, were supported and expanded by both parties over the ensuing 40 years.

    The "man made global warming movement", as you put it, is in fact about a general consensus in the relevant scientific community. Neither you nor I are members of that community. We have to rely on what we read. What do you read?

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    Burning natural gas is better than burning oil or coal, especially if you live near a powerplant like I do. Unless you live in a city, you have no idea what car and truck exhaust does to the air. Burning the dirtiest coal to power 1000 electric cars is still cleaner than 1000 small internal combustion engines running around burning gasoline.

    So, do I have a right to ask my government, or my fellow Americans to use a car that minimizes pollution? I think I do, just like we ask that you obey speed limits, or stay on the right side of the road, or get your car inspected for safety. So unless you live in a vacuum somewhere, you are going to be asked to do things you sometimes would rather not bother with....like chem tempering the glass lenses you sell. But it has nothing to do with being a liberal or a conservative.

    Why all this finger pointing at liberals? Is it because we have a President, your Commander-in-Chief, that is perceived to be liberal?...too much talk radio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterCrafter View Post
    These are the same people that told us how clean ethanol was and that the squiggly light bulb was going to save the planet.
    Passed December 18 2007 and signed into law by-------Bush!


    Squiggily light bulb law-


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_...ty_Act_of_2007

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanbaum View Post
    There is no support for the proposition that "libs want to put us in smart cars".

    It's not clear why you think that burning oil in an inefficient manner, of which, regardless of the US government's energy policy, the overwhemling preponderance will be produced in foreign and frequently antagonistic countries, is preferable to burning domestic gas or coal to power electric vehicles. The fact that "liberals" might not be happy about burning those fuels does not support your position in any way. And it's worth noting that ethanol subsidies, while introduced by Democrats, were supported and expanded by both parties over the ensuing 40 years.

    The "man made global warming movement", as you put it, is in fact about a general consensus in the relevant scientific community. Neither you nor I are members of that community. We have to rely on what we read. What do you read?
    Well I know I read the "climategate" emails. Those guys have ben fudging the numbers for years just to get the research money. They know if there is no "man made global warming" then there is no grant money.

    Remember when the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said that the himalayan glaciers would be gone by 2035. That was wrong. They are actualy growing!!

    I rely on what the Earth has been doing for millions of years. Warming then cooling, warming then cooling. It is not caused by man nor do we have the ability to stop it.

    So if we are in a warming cycle it is not caused by man. In the early 70's they were crying about a new ice age coming.

    These so called scientists are basing thier readings on a snapshot of the last 100 years. That in it self is not good science. They take 100 years out of hundreds of millions? Then they "threw out" all the raw data that has been collected.

    Why did the earth heat up and cool so many times before? Why are there ice ages? Were cavemen driving cars around?

    The EPA listed carbon dioxide as a "dangerous greenhouse gas". Yea right, they are trying to say air humans exhale is a dangerous gas? That sounds like CONTROL

    All I know is the tree's sure like it.

    Here is a video of Jon Stewart spoofing climategate-- pretty funny
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...l-warming-data



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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    Passed December 18 2007 and signed into law by-------Bush!


    Squiggily light bulb law-


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_...ty_Act_of_2007
    He was probably taking Nancy Pelosi's advise... "we have to pass the bill to find out what's in it"



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    mastercrafter...you don't think there is the slightest chance that sucking resources out of the ground and burning them in the atmosphere is any different than what cavemen were doing? There's not the slightest possibility in your mind that today we are doing this on such a large scale that the balance of nature may be compromised? But in your mind, anybody that has an opinion different than yours is cheating, obfuscating or heavans, no...LIBERAL?

    I think climatology is only beginning to be understood. I'm not ready to hold to my belief that the earth is flat. I'm willing to listen to a variety of experts, regardless of what their political leaning is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    I think the charge time is the biggest problem keeping the small electric car from the proletariat. Aren't we close to a portal on the car that will let us plug in a new/pre-charged cell? If it only takes the same amount of time as a fill-up I think they'll become much more popular.
    For now, and the foreseeable future, you have to think of an EV as something you charge at home overnight. You shouldn't expect to recharge it out on the road. You shouldn't take it "out on the road". It's a local commuter car. 85% of Americans travel less than 50 miles per day. If the car has a 75 mile range, your ok until the evening. If you want to go on a road trip, you use your hybrid or traditional ICE.

    That being said, there is such a thing as a Level 3 Quick charger, that can recharge your battery to 80% in 25-30 minutes. Certainly doesn't compete with a 20 gallon fill-up, but that's why EVs are not long distance cars at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fjpod View Post
    For now, and the foreseeable future, you have to think of an EV as something you charge at home overnight. You shouldn't expect to recharge it out on the road. You shouldn't take it "out on the road". It's a local commuter car. 85% of Americans travel less than 50 miles per day. If the car has a 75 mile range, your ok until the evening. If you want to go on a road trip, you use your hybrid or traditional ICE.

    That being said, there is such a thing as a Level 3 Quick charger, that can recharge your battery to 80% in 25-30 minutes. Certainly doesn't compete with a 20 gallon fill-up, but that's why EVs are not long distance cars at the moment.
    This is like the early days of the automobile when gasoline stations were few and far between. Did I read or hear somewhere that California is working on getting cell change stations up and running or was that Schwartzenegger's wish that has yet to be realized?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterCrafter View Post
    Well I know I read the "climategate" emails. Those guys have ben fudging the numbers for years just to get the research money. They know if there is no "man made global warming" then there is no grant money.

    Remember when the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said that the himalayan glaciers would be gone by 2035. That was wrong. They are actualy growing!!

    I rely on what the Earth has been doing for millions of years. Warming then cooling, warming then cooling. It is not caused by man nor do we have the ability to stop it.

    So if we are in a warming cycle it is not caused by man. In the early 70's they were crying about a new ice age coming.

    These so called scientists are basing thier readings on a snapshot of the last 100 years. That in it self is not good science. They take 100 years out of hundreds of millions? Then they "threw out" all the raw data that has been collected.

    Why did the earth heat up and cool so many times before? Why are there ice ages? Were cavemen driving cars around?

    The EPA listed carbon dioxide as a "dangerous greenhouse gas". Yea right, they are trying to say air humans exhale is a dangerous gas? That sounds like CONTROL

    All I know is the tree's sure like it.

    Here is a video of Jon Stewart spoofing climategate-- pretty funny
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...l-warming-data

    "Spoofing" indeed. It's genuinely amusing that someone who can't get the gist of a Daily Show clip thinks he's qualified to pontificate on "what the Earth has been doing for millions of years."

    Well, thanks, in any case, for demonstrating why it's so hard to argue with liberals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    This is like the early days of the automobile when gasoline stations were few and far between. Did I read or hear somewhere that California is working on getting cell change stations up and running or was that Schwartzenegger's wish that has yet to be realized?
    There is some talk about quick battery change stations, but I don't see it going that way in the near future. Much more complicated and expensive than just charging your car at home, at night, at your leisure. Unless of course, the earth has become a dead planet because we fought one too many oil wars, or we've been baked to death from lack of ozone.

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    Man...I leave for a few days and all the car talk is gone?

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