Any thoughts on a short lens called Silor or a anti reflective coating called Vivix?

[SpexAppeal]

Hello alll~
Pardon my lengthy post.

My good friend works for Costco and has decided to purchase progressive lens glasses there. I went with her the other day when she was looking at frames just to give her my opinion. I can't convince her to go to my optician mostly because she is on an extreme budget and she says she trusts the optical dept at Costco where she works. There is a vast difference in price admittedly.

When I went with her I had to bite my tongue because I wanted to brag about my new Ellipse and Alize lenses. And my frames which I like better than what they have to offer. She asked if they fit for the narrower frames like mine and they said "yes". The woman didn't seem to know the name of the lense though. She only knew they sell Ovation for regular size glasses. She called someone and they told her "Silor". Is this a brand name? It looks like the last 5 letters of Essilor. They did tell her that's the brand they use for that brand Ovation. But those are for larger frames. My friend would get the Silor. And the anti reflective is called Vivix. I suppose since I've never heard of these brands it makes me wonder if theyre just as good. The price sure is right! But for my friend this is a necessity. For me I prefered to pay more for something I knew.

I told her I would post to this message board and ask if these brands are familiar to anyone. Also if they're considered decent lenses and coating. I just don't want her to pay less money only to get something not worthy.

I did reply back in another thread to someone who mentioned Vivix so at least it's not entirely unheard of. He said a word called Stainless. I'm not sure if Costco carries that or not. The woman there was telling us they only carry top of the line products. However one thing she said interested me and this is why I told my friend to hold off until I ask. She said they have not had good luck with patients liking the Silor shorter lenses. I told her i loved my Ellipse from the very beginning. So now I am wondering if this is an issue with the Silor or just that some people don't do well with progressive lenses in general. I told my girlfriend I would get back to her.

Thank you.

[culland]

I would PM Lee Prewitt here on OptiBoard for specifics on the coating. I believe he is a rep for iCoat which is the company that provides the Vivix coating.

[rinselberg]

And you can read about VIVIX and VIVIX Stainless here:
http://www.icoatcompany.com/stainless.html

But I can't tell you anymore than what is on that webpage (at face value), or what you might or would end up with at Costco - and I haven't had any lenses with any of these coatings.


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[Chris Ryser]

She called someone and they told her "Silor". Is this a brand name? It looks like the last 5 letters of Essilor.

Any brand like : Societe des Lunetiers.....................SL...............Silor........ ...ESSEL..............ESSILOR is the same brand and companiy and has evolved over time to the last name.

[SpexAppeal]

Hello~

Thank you. So you're saying that this brand Silor should be fine since it's part of Essilor. I'll tell my friend this then. I'm just so glad I didn't have to make a choice because of budget issues. But then I tend to go with the familiar-names I already have heard of.

My friend is ready to choose her glasses so I told her what replies I might get here from people who know what brands seem to work and are reliable. I read where many of you don't care for Costco and I personally wouldn't purchase glasses there. But since she works there and her budget is different than mine this is where she's going to buy hers. As long as she gets something decent is my biggest concern. I don't know what their optical dept is like but I know Costco usually sells top quality merchandise and offers a good guarantee.

Thank you.

Any brand like : Societe des Lunetiers.....................SL...............Silor........ ...ESSEL..............ESSILOR is the same brand and companiy and has evolved over time to the last name.

[vtqanh]

Costco uses Essilor Natural for most progressives and uses Ovation for small frames (Ovation has a min. fitting height of 17mm while Natural has a fitting height of 18mm). This info is from my friend who is working at Costco

[Happylady]

Costco uses Essilor Natural for most progressives and uses Ovation for small frames (Ovation has a min. fitting height of 17mm while Natural has a fitting height of 18mm). This info is from my friend who is working at
Costco

Every lens I have seen coming from the Costco near me have been the Ovation. I remember when the minimum recommended fitting height for the Natural was 24. Now they say you can fit it at 18.

[Nettie]

The minimum fitting height for the short corridor Ovation that Costco sells is 14 mm up to 18 mm. The Essilor minimum fitting height is 17. They do not use anything called 'Silor', that may have been a misunderstanding.

[SpexAppeal]

Hello~

Now this strange. She kept insisting that they fit for shorter lenses and narrow frames down to 14 but said it wasn't the ovation. We watched her call someone and ask what shorter lens brand they use. She repeated the word "Silor". But even she looked a bit confused wondering if they meant Essilor. Then the manager came over and was rather haughty saying that they do sell a short corridor lens called Silor and that many of their customers haven't adapted to it. She all but warned my friend not to buy them if she doesn't think she will like them. The whole thing gave me an uncomfortable feeling so this is why I told my girlfriend to wait before purchasing her glasses there. I don't care if she works at Costco or not. She deserves a decent pair of progressive glasses even if she has to pay for them in a couple payments. I might be willing to lend her the money of it means that things won't work out at Costco. I'm beginning to wonder. I was also under the impression that Ovation wasn't for the narrower lenses.

Thank you for those who replied back.

The minimum fitting height for the short corridor Ovation that Costco sells is 14 mm up to 18 mm. The Essilor minimum fitting height is 17. They do not use anything called 'Silor', that may have been a misunderstanding.

[SpexAppeal]

Hello~

Amd they told me that they can fit as low as 14. So they must not be using the ovation if it only goes to 17. My friend definitely has a smaller pair of frames chosen than that. I just wonder if each Costco has their own policies and sells certain products only at a given store.

Costco uses Essilor Natural for most progressives and uses Ovation for small frames (Ovation has a min. fitting height of 17mm while Natural has a fitting height of 18mm). This info is from my friend who is working at Costco

[Jubilee]

I bet what is happening is they sell the ovation and fitit for 14. At a 14 mm seg, the full add will be there, but it won't be nearly as wide of a channel at that point, as it would at the 17 height. That is why Essilor recommends the 17 as a minimum to ensure the full add and wider zone is there.

It can be fit that low, they may bump the add by a step to counter part of the issues, but it isn't the best option overall, and I don't recommend it.

Cassandra

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[SpexAppeal]

Hello~
Thank you so much for your advice. I'll be letting my friend know this tomorrow. That really seems deceiving for them to sell a lens that is supposed to be fit for a larger height. I believe my friend's height is 15 in the frame she chose. But that's still doesnt seem right.

I bet what is happening is they sell the ovation and fitit for 14. At a 14 mm seg, the full add will be there, but it won't be nearly as wide of a channel at that point, as it would at the 17 height. That is why Essilor recommends the 17 as a minimum to ensure the full add and wider zone is there.

It can be fit that low, they may bump the add by a step to counter part of the issues, but it isn't the best option overall, and I don't recommend it.

Cassandra

[Nettie]

Hello~
Thank you so much for your advice. I'll be letting my friend know this tomorrow. That really seems deceiving for them to sell a lens that is supposed to be fit for a larger height. I believe my friend's height is 15 in the frame she chose. But that's still doesnt seem right.

Ok. You are way off base here. They are not deceiving anyone. This is what they sell. I know, I work there.

Essilor naturals. Fitting height 17mmm & up. They fit no less than 17 mm in this lens because then it would interfere with the reading area.


Ovation short corridor. The fitting height is between 18 & 14 mm, no less than 14. I personally try not to use this lens, but if someone insists on a teeny weeny frame despite all of my best efforts to get them into something bigger, then this is what I have to use. The channel is supposedly wider, which makes such a small fitting height workable. They are not going to put your friend in a 15mm seg just because they can. If the frame she has chosen will only allow for a 15mm seg then she should be looking at something else. They are not going to put her in a 15mm seg if she really measures at a 21. They measure from the pupil to the bottom of the frame and this is what they got. The manager has tried to tell you she doesn't reccommend the short corridor lenses so maybe your friend should listen to her.

If I felt Costco sold an inferior product or was trying to deceive people then I would not be working there. If your friend is not getting any help at all and being completely ignored, then my apologies.....this is not the way to do business, at Costco or anywhere else.

[SpexAppeal]

Hello Nettie~
I'm sorry. I misunderstood. I read it wrong and thought they were selling lenses meant to fit no smaller than 17 to fit into a size 14 height. My mistake.

I have no problems personally with Costco. I like their store very much. Truthfully though they might reconsider the manager of their optical dept. who has a rather displeasing manner about her.

I don't understand what you are saying about not being able to fit the ovation lens into a frame that measures 15 when on someone's face. You said to look for something else then. I thought you said it would go as low as 14? I'm just confused.

The primary reason I was hoping my girlfriend would think about Ellipse is mostly because in such a short time I am very pleased with them. And when the manager was negative about the brand "Silor" she spoke of I felt a red flag go up. I honestly don't know why she said this what they use for shorter corridor lenses.

Okay then can you tell me this so we can have some perspective? How does the ovation short corridor that you sell compare with the Ellipse for size-fitting? That way I have something to go on to tell my friend.

Thank you.

Ok. You are way off base here. They are not deceiving anyone. This is what they sell. I know, I work there.

Essilor naturals. Fitting height 17mmm & up. They fit no less than 17 mm in this lens because then it would interfere with the reading area.


Ovation short corridor. The fitting height is between 18 & 14 mm, no less than 14. I personally try not to use this lens, but if someone insists on a teeny weeny frame despite all of my best efforts to get them into something bigger, then this is what I have to use. The channel is supposedly wider, which makes such a small fitting height workable. They are not going to put your friend in a 15mm seg just because they can. If the frame she has chosen will only allow for a 15mm seg then she should be looking at something else. They are not going to put her in a 15mm seg if she really measures at a 21. They measure from the pupil to the bottom of the frame and this is what they got. The manager has tried to tell you she doesn't reccommend the short corridor lenses so maybe your friend should listen to her.

If I felt Costco sold an inferior product or was trying to deceive people then I would not be working there. If your friend is not getting any help at all and being completely ignored, then my apologies.....this is not the way to do business, at Costco or anywhere else.

[divorce2b]

Hello~

Amd they told me that they can fit as low as 14. So they must not be using the ovation if it only goes to 17. My friend definitely has a smaller pair of frames chosen than that. I just wonder if each Costco has their own policies and sells certain products only at a given store.

Hello I would highly recommend Costco to your friend! they made number one in consumer reports for their optical dept. the products they use are fabulous including the anti glare..She has absolutely nothing to lose trying Costco out, their warranty is phenomenal and the quality is superb! The opticians are highly qualified and must be ABO and NCLE within 3 years from when they were hired in the optical department so they should be quite knowledgeable..The short corridor lens has been quite successful for many patients...I would say go ahead and try it and meanwhile you'll be saving hundreds of dollars and dont have to pay riduculous prices!

[jameselex]

:hammer: Essilor is the company name and Silor is not a name of a progressive lens, Ovation is a progressive lens designed to fit 18mm by Essilor, (trying to fit Ovation for 14 is like hauling 4x8 plywood with your Civic, no offence to Honda).I am so shocked the staff at Costco is so uncompetent and people still praise them , she cant' even tell the product name, and the manager is also so not able to listen to and understand customer's need, I don't know what kind of "superb quality" that store could offer your friends.

The lens "Eclips" is also a Essilor progressive lens, which is designed for 14mm fittting height( "Natural" is also Essior product), lots of people use it for tiny frames,but there is no guanrantee it will work for your friend, each one is different.

I would strongley suggest my friend not to go to that Costco based on the information you provided, I am sure there are lots of other stores can supply quality product with reasonable price.

[Chris Ryser]

Essilor is the company name and Silor is not a name of a progressive lens, Ovation is a progressive lens designed to fit 18mm by Essilor,

Actually Silor lenses are an Essilor brand................you are throwing these brand names around like a specialist. All brands of progressive are basically the same and serve the same purpose.

As for costco................they are smart and use a limited number of products that work.....and their standards of quality delivered is not the worst

[For-Life]

:hammer: Essilor is the company name and Silor is not a name of a progressive lens, Ovation is a progressive lens designed to fit 18mm by Essilor, (trying to fit Ovation for 14 is like hauling 4x8 plywood with your Civic, no offence to Honda).I am so shocked the staff at Costco is so uncompetent and people still praise them , she cant' even tell the product name, and the manager is also so not able to listen to and understand customer's need, I don't know what kind of "superb quality" that store could offer your friends.

The lens "Eclips" is also a Essilor progressive lens, which is designed for 14mm fittting height( "Natural" is also Essior product), lots of people use it for tiny frames,but there is no guanrantee it will work for your friend, each one is different.

I would strongley suggest my friend not to go to that Costco based on the information you provided, I am sure there are lots of other stores can supply quality product with reasonable price.

Essilor has one lens, I think it is called ECP, and it fits small frames. It is not the Ellipse.

[jameselex]

Hi Chris:

You are right that Silor is a brand for Essilor, but my point is there is no such a progressive lens called "Silor", I know there are single vision lenses called "silor",

I don't think I am a lens specialist, but I am an authorised dealer of Essior and I have the full list of their progressive lenses and I couldn't find a progressive lens called"silor".

Just trying to help a consumer from what I know, correct me if I am wrong.

thanks

[Nettie]

:hammer: Essilor is the company name and Silor is not a name of a progressive lens, Ovation is a progressive lens designed to fit 18mm by Essilor, (trying to fit Ovation for 14 is like hauling 4x8 plywood with your Civic, no offence to Honda).I am so shocked the staff at Costco is so uncompetent and people still praise them , she cant' even tell the product name, and the manager is also so not able to listen to and understand customer's need, I don't know what kind of "superb quality" that store could offer your friends.

The lens "Eclips" is also a Essilor progressive lens, which is designed for 14mm fittting height( "Natural" is also Essior product), lots of people use it for tiny frames,but there is no guanrantee it will work for your friend, each one is different.

I would strongley suggest my friend not to go to that Costco based on the information you provided, I am sure there are lots of other stores can supply quality product with reasonable price.

you're just jealous cuz you want to be 'uncompetent' too.:D

[SpexAppeal]

Hello~

I actually was fitted with the Ellipse within the last month and I know they are Varilux. But I believe Essilor owns them if I'm correct. I have been completely satisified. My frames are quite small. My measurement was 15.

Essilor has one lens, I think it is called ECP, and it fits small frames. It is not the Ellipse.

[SpexAppeal]

Hello jameselex~

If you are an authorized dealer for Essilor, wouldn't you know that their smaller corridor lens is called Ellipse and not "Eclips" as you called it in your previous post? Or is there a progressive lens with that name as well? I know there seems to be a lot of them!

Hi Chris:

You are right that Silor is a brand for Essilor, but my point is there is no such a progressive lens called "Silor", I know there are single vision lenses called "silor",

I don't think I am a lens specialist, but I am an authorised dealer of Essior and I have the full list of their progressive lenses and I couldn't find a progressive lens called"silor".

Just trying to help a consumer from what I know, correct me if I am wrong.

thanks

[jameselex]

:hammer: Sorry Spexappeal:

My appology for the typo, it should be Ellipse.

[Chris Ryser]

Essilor has one lens, I think it is called ECP, and it fits small frames. It is not the Ellipse.

Spexy............

What is your problem................who cares what name and who made it. You are happy with it even if cant read properly with them because their too small.