When do you think a person becomes a person? Is it at the moment of conception in the womb? At the time of birth? Somewhere in between? When?
When do you think a person becomes a person? Is it at the moment of conception in the womb? At the time of birth? Somewhere in between? When?
This must be "ask the questions to get optiboarders fired up" week.
is there something you want to tel us? wink wink :-)
Just trying to keep interesting topics on the board...
I believe it is at time of conception. I am sure there are all kinds of people with all of there own reasons but as for me, a women who carried a child....its at conception.
Interesting topic.
Cindy
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Upon birth or somethingOriginally Posted by Chairtime
Feel free to stay out of threads that don't interest you.
Don't know when a person is a person, nor when a troll is a troll.
I DO know that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Does this help???
When fetus's brain develops beyond, let's say, an adult cow's brain.When do you think a person becomes a person?
Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself. - Richard P. Feynman
Experience is the hardest teacher. She gives the test before the lesson.
Some interesting answers. I believe the creature that exists at the moment of conception is a real, living human being.
Ok, Chair:
What about if they're 95-years-old, and they have Alzheimer's, and they are on artificial respiration, and they live in a nursing home, and they have chronic pain, and they just want to die? Then what?
This is a funny story I read. A 20 year old kid in a southern state was busted for underage drinking. This state believes that life begins at conception. During the court proceedings the kid brought up the fact that since the state recognizes the begining of life at inception he was actually 21, he was already in his mid 20's there fore he was technically of age. I can't remember the verdict but the story was pretty funny.
I don't think there's any way to be certain of the answer.
They are also human beings.
I am certain of my answer. But I agree there is no way to prove it empirically. That's why I'm against abortion.
I have been, actually. This one interests me in that all you seem to do is stir up trouble.
Since you are the only one complaining about the topic, it must be your beliefs that are being stirred up.
I hope this doesn't come across sounding bad - it's an idea in progress.
A rabbit is just an animal to some people, to others it's food, to others it's a pest. But to some, a rabbit is a pet, part of the family. A fetus becomes a human being when the mother decides she will carry it full term and deliver it. So for some, a fetus is never a human being, and for some, it's a human being at conception - we've agreed there will never be "empirical proof".
I have trouble with that. The mother can decide to abort a fetus, but can she determine if the fetus is a human or not?
- a human is a human when the egg is fertilized
there is a second question - when is that human viable
- A human is viable untill it naturally dies
Why is it that a woman can decide to kill her unborn child, but if someone did it against her wishes, it is murder?
"Some believe in destiny, and some believe in fate. But I believe that happiness is something we create."-Something More by Sugarland
I certainly believe that life begins at conception. The fetus is breathing, growing, and developing from day one.
By the time most women realize they are pregnant, the fetus will have a very recognizable human form, and have a heart beat....
As someone who miscarried at 3 months, I would beat someone who tried to tell me that its better this way because they weren't "human" yet. When you can see that baby on screen, have seen the heart beating, and hand waving.. you can not deny that there is real life there...
Cassandra
"Some believe in destiny, and some believe in fate. But I believe that happiness is something we create."-Something More by Sugarland
This isn't a hard question
If we were considering an ameoba, which is tiny, and has a few cells, and genetically is: an ameoba - no one would argue that an ameoba is an ameoba when it is developed to 1-2 cels
What could we say about our humble ameoba?
Is it living? YES
Is it viable? YES
Is it capable of dying? YES
So when does life begin for a new human - at the moment of conception
The really hard question is - do we have the right to alter the process of the development of that unique life form, and if so, why, when etc.?
There is an argument that a feotus is dependant on its mother for nutrients and oxygen to live - and there is another which shows that once the child is born it still can't survive on its own, without active support in terms of nutient and environment
Cassandra, not to be morbid or insensitive, when you had your miscarriage, did you go through the process you would have if a child had died, including funeral?
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