Experience with Ellipse and Piccolo

[amanda]

The Ellipse is probably closer to the Piccolo and Varilux Ipseo would be in the same genre as the Autograph. I have been pleasantly suprised with the Ellipse and mid-range vision and have had extremely positive results from the Ipseo.

Since the only frame I found and really like has 16mm fitting height, for my regular dress pair, I am going to give up on Panamic and decide between Ellipse and Piccolo unless Ipseo is a better a choice. So far, I have no info (ftting ht requirement, etc.) on Ipseo.

I would like comparison info on Ellipse and Picolo.

I would also like info on Ipseo compared to Ellipse.

[Bobie]

Dear Amanda ,

• Panamic can fitting at 16 mm and still have quite O.K. for reading.
• Ellipse is super short corridor PALs that have 85% of Addition at 9.5 mm.
• Piccolo is short corridor PALs that have 85% of Addition at 11 mm.
• Ellipse have more higher technology than Piccolo and will be much better than Piccolo in every point if fitting at 14mm.
• Piccolo will a little bit better at near and intermediate if fitting at 16 mm.
• Adaptation , astigmatism error , field of far vision are about the same.
• Piccolo is still good choice for small frame. ( frame height 26 mm )
• Ellipse is the best choice for very small frame. ( frame height 22 mm )
• Ipseo is much better than Ellipse at fitting height 16 mm in overall performance.
• Ellipse have better near vision than Ipseo at fitting height 14mm.
• The price of Ipseo 1.67 is about 3.5 time more expensive than Ellipse 1.67.
• I have been fit many of Panamic at 16 mm on weare who get used to Ellipse that fit at 14 mm , and all of them said “ Panamic much better than Ellipse “.
• I recommended Ellipse only if I have to fit at 14mm , no others.
• I am not believe in any super short corridor.
• The best short corridor for overall performance in my professional is Rodenstock Impression ILT XS at 16 mm fitting height. It even better than Ipseo for near area , and far vision about the same . But , Ipseo is much better in intermediate , dynamic vision ,comfort of vision , instant focus and instant adaptation.

[GoodAsGold]

Bobie,

I see where you said the frame height can be 22mm with an Ellipse. I just read here where one person wouldn't go below 26mm. So, which is it? I'm looking at a frame that is 25mm. I want that frame in the worst way! But, I also want to be able to see, of course.

Dear Amanda ,

• Panamic can fitting at 16 mm and still have quite O.K. for reading.
• Ellipse is super short corridor PALs that have 85% of Addition at 9.5 mm.
• Piccolo is short corridor PALs that have 85% of Addition at 11 mm.
• Ellipse have more higher technology than Piccolo and will be much better than Piccolo in every point if fitting at 14mm.
• Piccolo will a little bit better at near and intermediate if fitting at 16 mm.
• Adaptation , astigmatism error , field of far vision are about the same.
• Piccolo is still good choice for small frame. ( frame height 26 mm )
• Ellipse is the best choice for very small frame. ( frame height 22 mm )
• Ipseo is much better than Ellipse at fitting height 16 mm in overall performance.
• Ellipse have better near vision than Ipseo at fitting height 14mm.
• The price of Ipseo 1.67 is about 3.5 time more expensive than Ellipse 1.67.
• I have been fit many of Panamic at 16 mm on weare who get used to Ellipse that fit at 14 mm , and all of them said “ Panamic much better than Ellipse “.
• I recommended Ellipse only if I have to fit at 14mm , no others.
• I am not believe in any super short corridor.
• The best short corridor for overall performance in my professional is Rodenstock Impression ILT XS at 16 mm fitting height. It even better than Ipseo for near area , and far vision about the same . But , Ipseo is much better in intermediate , dynamic vision ,comfort of vision , instant focus and instant adaptation.

[Cindy Hamlin]

Good as Gold,

I answered your "B" question in the Ellipse thread where you originally asked this question.

[Bobie]

Dear AsGoodGold ,

In case that you have to use 25 mm total frame height , you have a lot of choice in many budget.

1. The best quality of vision is Rodenstock Impression ILT XS 1.6 ABBE 42 High Strength for rimless frame and nylon frame.

• ILT XS have 85% of Addition at 10 mm

• Recommended minimum fitting height at 16 mm from pupil ( fitting point )

• The distance zone from fitting point to the top of the frame is 8 mm
• You can choose 9mm for distance and fitting height at 16 mm for main use at far or
• 8 mm for distance and fitting height at 17 mm for main use at near
• at fitting height 17 mm in 25 mm frame height , ILT XS is much better than Ellip... in every point.
• In you case , the expensive lenses that can compare about the same with ILT XS is Varilu... Ipse... short corridor that must be order 85% of addition at 10 mm ( not at 12 mm ) , but the price of Varilu... Ipse... is more than double price of ILT XS and ILT XS have much better vision for far at night , example like when the wearer have to drive a car at night , but Varilu... Ipse... have better comfort of vision and better instant focus around the intermediate and near zone. In this case the parameter must be at below ;
  
  • Pantoscopic Tilt Angle 8 degree
  • Cornea Vertex Distance 13 mm
  • Face Form Angle 4 degree
  • Distance P.D. 64 mm
• In case that the parameter are not the same like these , the performance of Varilu.. Ipse... will be reduce , if Face Form Angle is 0 degree or 8 degree , the performance at near of Varilu... Ipse... will be reduce more than two times , but ILT XS not have any effect from parameter because ILT XS is individual free form technology progressive lenses that customized all parameter for each frame of each people.
• Individual free form technology like Rodenstock Impression ILT XS have more than 42,000 millions ( fourtytwo Thousand Millions ) differecne design by prescription and parameter of frame , it means the lenses will design axis of CYL. 1 degree / step ( Compare to all of the most expensive Semi-Finished Progressive Front Surface like Hoyalux Summit pro that have only 120 design by SPH. and Addition only )

2. In case that you would like to save your budget , please try to going for Tokai B-Series corridor 13 or Seiko Super-P1 corridor 13 or any free form technology PALs that have corridor length 13 mm. These lenses can fit to 25 mm frame at fitting height 16 mm. All of these lenses are have over all performance better than Varilu... Ellip.. in this case. ( Remember that , Super Short Corridor is the backward technology to Bi-Focal ). Repeat , in my experience of 3000 expensive PALs fitting by myself , the best corridor of PALs for all people is 13 mm , no more , no less.

3. In case that you would likt to going for low price of PALs , you can going for any semi-finished PALs that have corridor 13 mm.

4. Please , try to stay away from 11 mm corridor PALs like Kodak Concise.

5. The key of PALs is to see instant clear at all distance like when you was young , not to see very slow clear at all distance with very big vision field like bi-focal or hard design PALs.

6. I believe that , every presbyopes need to see instant clearer at all distance , feel younger for all day long and look smarter and The Individual Free Form Technology PALs can offer all presbyopes for all of these , may be not exactly the same , but it's about the same.

7. Many of PALs Suppliers in Thailand hate me and would like to shut up my mouth ( They already force my webmaster to close www.apcthai.com on this JAN , because they can not proof that I was wrong.

8. Sorry , that I can only write Varilu... / Ipse... / Ellip... / Essilo... , Panami... , Comfor... , because I don't need to fitting PALs in jail right now. ( Don't forget , I live in Thailand that not have freedom to discuss about PALs like in Europe and USA. )

" Shorter Corridor is always come with more distortion "

9. Remember That , bifocal have 100% of Addition at 7mm from fitting point , why the bifocal wearer who get success on PALs Corridor 14 mm never back to use bifocal again , even you give them 10 US$ per day to wear bifocal all day long.?

• The Super Short Corridor have 85% of Addition at 9.5 mm ( Varilu... Ellip... ) and have 100% of Additon at 12.5 mm
• If 85 % of Addition is shorter than 12 mm , it will be reduce intermediate zone ( Remember that , the intermediate zone is the most strong point of PALs over bifocal )

" Life is not only to see clear at far and near but intermediate too. "

Then my last words to all of optik shop is " be professional and protect your customer from backward to bifocal technology like Super Short Corridor PALs "

[Judy Canty]

GoodasGold, you've been advised in the past about these very specific questions.

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