Problem solved, No more slippage on AR coated lenses

[Chris Ryser]

Being turned on ................by hearing and reading about all the slippage and lenses turning of axis, these problems popping up when cutting AR coated lenses that contain an added slick coat ..............I came up with the perfect solution yesterday and have another invention on my back.

I developed a self adhesive plastic pad (24 mm square) that is applied on the coated (or uncoated) and slippery lens surface. It adheres to the lens surface with full blockage of any sideway's or rotary movement, as if it would be part of the lens itself. Adhesion is provided to lateral and roary movements only and can be lifted off the surface without problems.

This pad serves as a base for whatever system of mounting the lens on the the beveledger is used. Leap pads will have a solid grip to it, and the system is totally preventing turning and slipping of the lens. As an added benefit the pad is re-usable an undefinit amount of times.

Optiboard members are the first to learn about a new happening....press releases will go out today. Lens AR coaters and the AR Council should be happy that one of the major problems mounting those slippery lenses has been solved.

[Lewy]

So tell us more..........when will it be available, how much etc..

Lewy

[For-Life]

Chris does it again

[Chris Ryser]

So tell us more..........when will it be available, how much etc..
Lewy

I will put all the information on my website over the next weekend (Canadian Thanksgiving Weekend) and post a message on this thread when ready.

[karen]

I need to get some that I will give to my accounts and then have them order it from you (I'll be like the drug dealer and give them two and get them hooked...)

[pauly47]

when we order a lens that has some of these new generation AR coats, the llens ships with a sticker that we put on the lens prior to blocking. If I run out, sticky tape residue works fine and cleans up easy....just my 2 cents...

[Chris Bowers]

Chris,

I'm interested. L'll watch for your magic!

Chris

[Chris Ryser]

I need to get some that I will give to my accounts and then have them order it from you (I'll be like the drug dealer and give them two and get them hooked...)

Karen, Maybe we should call them "hooker stickers"...................... Just send me a PM and will get some of those hookers to you.

[jofelk]

Clean with denatured alcohol and use Phantom T1695 red pad. I never have a problem edging Zeiss or Essilor's new AR. No extra anything to buy.

[cinders831]

I have an inhouse private lab Ar That is far slicker then Essilor's Alize and Its is more then 1/2 the time not adgable after the Ar process. I am nearly in love with Chris if this new invention is true.

Cindy

[Chris Ryser]

Clean with denatured alcohol and use Phantom T1695 red pad. I never have a problem edging Zeiss or Essilor's new AR. No extra anything to buy.

Maybe the denatured alcohol removes the top coat or etches the surface

[Chris Ryser]

I have an inhouse private lab Ar That is far slicker then Essilor's Alize and Its is more then 1/2 the time not adgable after the Ar process. I am nearly in love with Chris if this new invention is true.
Cindy

So far we found out that the slicker it gets................better it hooks on.

[rsandr]

Optiboard members are the first to learn about a new happening....press releases will go out today. Lens AR coaters and the AR Council should be happy that one of the major problems mounting those slippery lenses has been solved.

Aren't we over egging a pudding here?
I find that using half decent pads and correct edger settings is adequate.
Also most of the large manufacturers ship their lenses with such a sticker.
The AR lab we use will also provide a sticker with their coats if we request it.

Rick (scratching head)

[For-Life]

Aren't we over egging a pudding here?
I find that using half decent pads and correct edger settings is adequate.
Also most of the large manufacturers ship their lenses with such a sticker.
The AR lab we use will also provide a sticker with their coats if we request it.

Rick (scratching head)

Funny, several threads have been posted that some people are having troubles with slippage with their machines and with the lab given stickers they recieve. So Chris goes and invents a product to fix it and now people are coming in and saying that it is not needed.

[Jedi]

Great work Chris,
can't wait to see it in use.
:cheers:

[rsandr]

Funny, several threads have been posted that some people are having troubles with slippage with their machines and with the lab given stickers they recieve. So Chris goes and invents a product to fix it and now people are coming in and saying that it is not needed.

Well at best he as improved on a product that already exists. There is no need for people to be throwing their undying love around.

Anyway I would recommend to anybody in the UK to try 'Super Type' pads from Bond Eye. I have glazed Hoya Teflon lenses with no problem.

http://www.bond-eye.com

These pads don't seem to be on their website but give them a ring.

If you do order please tell the Rick at Optiglaze put you onto them.

[Chris Ryser]

Aren't we over egging a pudding here?
The AR lab we use will also provide a sticker with their coats if we request it.
Rick (scratching head)

Anyway I would recommend to anybody in the UK to try 'Super Type' pads from Bond Eye. I have glazed Hoya Teflon lenses with no problem.

Rick

Now I am scratching my head...................:hammer:

There have been several threads with everybody complaining about slippage, and here I am talking on AR coated lenses with a super slick top coat. How come you have not made any recommendation at that time ? Would have saved me some time trying to comew up with something to solve the problem.

However there seem to be plenty people interested who did NOT know about the Hoya solution.

I have actually tried and compared these pads an hour ago and definitely like my solution better and greatly improved. So I don't think I over egged the pie.:bbg:

[Cherry Optical]

Clean with denatured alcohol and use Phantom T1695 red pad. I never have a problem edging Zeiss or Essilor's new AR. No extra anything to buy.

How about Super HiVision TRIVEX orders? Those seem to be the ones giving us the most problems. Zeiss never was an issue for us, and Crizal Alize' has the wonderful Azure' coating that seems to eliminate any problems with them. Or how about real high minus and high cyl jobs?

This thing sounds great to me. Anything is better than nothing.

Adam

[Cherry Optical]

Funny, several threads have been posted that some people are having troubles with slippage with their machines and with the lab given stickers they recieve. So Chris goes and invents a product to fix it and now people are coming in and saying that it is not needed.

My read on that is that the people that are not complaining are private practices that do a few (don't get too mad at me part time edgers) jobs per day and can easily control production by taking things job-by-job. The people having the real problems are labs that do 300-1000 jobs per day and are watching their profit go out with the trash....

.....if that is not the case, I might consider having them edge all my lenses... they can pay for the twists! :)

Adam

[For-Life]

My read on that is that the people that are not complaining are private practices that do a few (don't get too mad at me part time edgers) jobs per day and can easily control production by taking things job-by-job. The people having the real problems are labs that do 300-1000 jobs per day and are watching their profit go out with the trash....

.....if that is not the case, I might consider having them edge all my lenses... they can pay for the twists! :)

Adam

Exactly, so Chris does his due dilligence and gives us a solution and people come in here and tell him that it is useless.

I bet it is because he is from Quebec.

[Magician]

There are as many reasons for "slipping" as there are stars in the sky. The vast majority, related to slippery coatings, are lack of process control at the lab. As some have stated - they have no, or little problem, as is. Issues with non-slippery coatings (i.e. heavy minus, large offsets, etc.) can be both equipment related as well as lack of operator (edger) education and awareness.

Now, all that said, Chris's new "hooker" is still a useful product - Provided it's not pricepoint scary. And just because you don't need it today, and just because your current process controls work adequately now, it certainly could reduce risk. Training new employees comes to mind for one.

[rsandr]

Exactly, so Chris does his due dilligence and gives us a solution and people come in here and tell him that it is useless.

I bet it is because he is from Quebec.

Calm down!
I never said it was useless, I just felt Chris was being a little evangelistic, and some of the follow up posts a little sycophantic.

And i'm not a part time edger, I simply dont try to run all my jobs on the cheapest pads or believe that there is only one choice of premium pad.

Rick

[Chris Ryser]

Calm down!
I never said it was useless, I just felt Chris was being a little evangelistic, and some of the follow up posts a little sycophantic.
Rick

Gosh...............every week of spending time on the optiboard I am getting decorated with new titles. Soon the French will admit me to the "Legion d'Honneur".

[Chris Ryser]

I have an inhouse private lab Ar That is far slicker then Essilor's Alize and Its is more then 1/2 the time not adgable after the Ar process. I am nearly in love with Chris if this new invention is true.
Cindy

The HOOKER pads are now ready and working.

The pad is a square 25mm (1sq. inch] that sticks and will adapt to any curve lens surface. It us used as a buffer pad between the ultra slippery lens surface and you regular mounting pad. The HOOKER pad adheres to the lens surface by pure adhesion only (no glue), while it readily accepts the glue adhesion by the regular pad.

The larger surface size provides more lateral anchorage on the lens to resist the lateral tension. However it can easily be cut to accommodate a smaller lens size.

The first samples have been mailed to optiboarders that did send me e-mails or made phone calls yesterday. Anybody who would like to try and test them in their lab should send me an e-mail through the optiboard or to oms_optical@yahoo.com and we will mail them to you.

[jofelk]

How about Super HiVision TRIVEX orders? Those seem to be the ones giving us the most problems. Zeiss never was an issue for us, and Crizal Alize' has the wonderful Azure' coating that seems to eliminate any problems with them. Or how about real high minus and high cyl jobs?

This thing sounds great to me. Anything is better than nothing.

Adam

My reply to this thread and all threads is formulated from the many experiences in a wholesale lab. I will agree that Chris's pad can benefit those having problems.
"Or how about real high minus and high cyl jobs?", simply edge to slightly larger than finished size. If turning occurs, reblock and finish edging. This method can also be used with Chris's pad if finished size is smaller than the pad.
I noticed that the Canuck's on the board rallied to Chris's side.