Hoya GP Wide v. Panamic Veralux

**mhs99** · 08-31-2005, 02:23 AM

I am a consumer and confused. My prescription is
-13.5 +2.25 x 113
-14.5 +1.00 x 085
Add +1.50

I now need progressives (I was told I could not get progressive bifocals). One doctor recommends Panamic Veralux 1.60 high index. Another recommends Hoya GP Wide.

Anything you can offer to clear this up and point me in the right direction would be appreciated.

**Lewy** · 08-31-2005, 09:31 AM

Looking at the range charts, Panamic 1.6 or 1.67 doesn't go up to your strength anyway.Choice is Panamic Fusio Index 1.74 or Glass 1.8. In hoya you will need to look at the 1.7 index as the only one in range. As to which one, your optician should tell you which is best for you dependent upon your needs, history etc. It is mostly a matter of personal choice and most people can adapt to the lenses quite easily.

Lewy

**Happylady** · 08-31-2005, 09:40 AM

You mentioned you were told you could not get progressive bifocals. Often lay people(and some opticians) call progressives no-line bifocals, but they are very different then bifocals. A bifocal has two separate areas with a line between them. A progressive has a channel down the middle of the lens where the power gradually changes from distance to near.

The Hoya gp wide is available in the thinnest lens you can get in this country, a 1.70 high index. The higher the number the thinner the lens. The Varilux Panamic is available in a 1.67 high index. It would be almost as thin, but not quite. They are both good lenses. I don't know why a 1.60 high index was recommended to you, it would not be as thin.

I suggest you get as small a frame as you can and still have enough room for the progressive. The Varilux Ellipse will fit into a smaller frame then either the Panamic or the Hoya Wide and is available in a 1.67. You will need to check with your optician about what lenses are available in your RX. Sometimes the labs can grind prescriptions outside the stated ranges.

Make sure you get an high quality AR coat on the lenses and I suggest a satin edge polish rather then a shiny one. The satin polish will give the edge a soft and nice appearance, without adding a lot of reflections.

Do you wear contact lenses? If you can wear them they will give you better vision then glasses. You might need to wear a thin pair of glasses over them to correct your close vision. Of course, even with contacts you need a good pair of glasses.

**Happylady** · 08-31-2005, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by Lewy

Looking at the range charts, Panamic 1.6 or 1.67 doesn't go up to your strength anyway.Choice is Panamic Fusio Index 1.74 or Glass 1.8. In hoya you will need to look at the 1.7 index as the only one in range. As to which one, your optician should tell you which is best for you dependent upon your needs, history etc. It is mostly a matter of personal choice and most people can adapt to the lenses quite easily.

Lewy

In the states we can't get the 1.74 index lens. I believe it is available in Canada. The 1.74 doesn't pass impact tests required of lenses in the U.S. I think 1.8 glass is going to be nearly impossible to find also.

**Lewy** · 08-31-2005, 10:06 AM

Is the panamic stylis available to that RX in the states? UK -12.00 tops!

bit poor that 1.74 is not available, guess litigation is too high a risk.

Lewy

**Happylady** · 08-31-2005, 10:19 AM

My chart shows it tops out at -12.00 also, but those are just guidelines. Many years ago I had an Adapter (which also tops out at -12.00) done in a -14.00 something with a lot of astigmatism. You just need an excellent lab that is willing to work with you. I remember just a few years ago ads saying that the 1.74 was coming soon! It never came because the U.S. is the only country in the world that requires such strict impact tests on lenses. It just couldn't pass. :(

**Jedi** · 08-31-2005, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Happylady

In the states we can't get the 1.74 index lens. I believe it is available in Canada. The 1.74 doesn't pass impact tests required of lenses in the U.S. I think 1.8 glass is going to be nearly impossible to find also.

Happylady, there was a thread recently regarding 1.74 in the US, here. I imagine initially it will only be available in SV, with the PAL following 6month to 1 year later (just a guess).I do believe 1.8 glass is availible in the US, but the centers have to be beefed up to pass drop ball negating any benefit of the thinner material, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

**Bobie** · 12-05-2005, 08:13 AM

The best choice for you is Rodenstock Impression ILT XS 1.74 that will offer distance vision near same single vision , intermediate vision like Panamic and near vision like Hoyalux GP Wide.

The price of Rodenstock Impression ILT XS 1.74 is cheaper than Varilux Panamic Fusio 1.74 about 30% and total better than Panamic at all performance for your Rx.

Rodenstock Impression ILT XS is individaul + progressive back surface + Free Form Technology that outstanding from Panamic and all semi-finished PALs.

But if you would like to have the best. You have to waiting for Varilux Ipseo Fusio 1.74 , but the price will be 3.5 time more than Rodenstock Impression ILT XS 1.74.

If you going for Varilux Ipseo 1.74 , you will get better vision at near and intermediate about 40% , but far vision at night a little bit less than Impression ILT XS 1.74.

The problem of 1.74 material is low ABBE ( only 33 ) and can dirturb you vision at night time for long driving.

May be you can have a look for Hoyalux iD 1.7 Eyry (ABBE 36 ) , that expensive than Impression ILT XS 1.74 about 20%. ( But Rodenstock Impression ILT XS have better vision than Hoyalux iD at all point about 20% ).

**Happylady** · 12-05-2005, 07:23 PM

The Varilux Panamic is now available is 1.74.

**Bobie** · 12-05-2005, 11:16 PM

Varilux Panamic 1.74 is not recommended for rimless frame , because it is too easy to break.

**suwit** · 12-10-2005, 06:19 AM

choose right frame and fit on Varilux Panamic 1.8 Glass
not too expensive , good abbe , and thinest in the world:D

**Happylady** · 12-10-2005, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Bobie

Varilux Panamic 1.74 is not recommended for rimless frame , because it is too easy to break.

Who would put -13.00 in a rimless frame?

I don't think we can get 1.8 glass in the States.

**Pete Hanlin** · 12-11-2005, 02:39 PM

Actually, Thin&Lite 1.74 (the material from which Varilux Panamic 1.74 is made) is quite drillable. It would be correct to say that 1.67 is a material more friendly to drilling, however- given its excellent tensile strength.

Either way, I would also have to agree that a -13.50 doesn't belong in a rimless mounting. In fact, a stylish small optyl frame would hide a large amount of the edge.

Varilux Panamic is currently available in 1.74, and Varilux Ipseo will be available later in 2006. The new Varilux design (to be launched in January) will be available in 1.74 late in 2006 (but more on that later).

**SkiBunny** · 12-11-2005, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Happylady

Who would put -13.00 in a rimless frame?

I don't think we can get 1.8 glass in the States.

Originally Posted by Pete Hanlin

Either way, I would also have to agree that a -13.50 doesn't belong in a rimless mounting. In fact, a stylish small optyl frame would hide a large amount of the edge.

Woud you do -5.75 in a rimless or semi-rimless, any index, with fairly small lenses (large enough for progressives however) ???

**Aarlan** · 12-12-2005, 04:51 PM

The limits they set on lens powers are guidelines at best. Any good lab rat or surface tech can work wonders. Ask your optician or optometrist to call thier lab (surface supervisor or manager specifically) to see what options there are at a -14 in a prog.

AA

**Happylady** · 12-12-2005, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by SkiBunny

Woud you do -5.75 in a rimless or semi-rimless, any index, with fairly small lenses (large enough for progressives however) ???

Yes, I have done prescriptions of about this strength in both grooved and drilled frames. In drilled frames the smaller the better. If the Pd is not narrow that helps. The wider the pupil distance the thinner the outside edges will be. I suggest a 1.67 or a1.70 in the drilled frames to keep the thickness down.