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Well you can be pro-optician by emphasizing the value an optician brings to the table? Do you actually think that opticians have no value or something? Right now, the consumer is only thinking about...

There's a distinct difference between educating on "why not to buy glasses online" and "why you should buy from an optician". The two are not mutually exclusive. The states have proven that opticians...

Please explain further what you mean. Perhaps what you see as the problem and what I see is the problem is different.

If it's about ethics/morality than I've explained enough my point of view

Yes, Happy Thanksgiving all!

The key individual associated with the main sponsor of the opticians council is? If you're implying it's me, you are so wrong. I have no money to sponsor anything.

The opticians council post is...

What would be the point in seeing what membership thinks? What matters is what your consumers think. They do not know about any of this. We as consumers also do not know the truths about all the...

To say I'm completely wrong is ignoring the point I'm trying to make. In order to educate the consumers on why to pay XX amount more at B&M rather than online is to provide value as an optician. All...

Because the licensing is the explanation for the additional cost/value. I think I explained this earlier before. As for the hypocrisy, like I said, it's beyond control for ECPs. So, making the best...

What I am exactly referring to is the last sentence you wrote - educating the consumer on the value an optician provides (properly adjusting, measuring, checking among other things), not educating on...

Then perhaps this is more an emotional/moral issue than what the original post is about. Sharing our knowledge seems to be the correct direction, so my only point of view was to make the best of the...

I co-own my own business (hope that counts). We can be upset about the morality about it, but if we do nothing about it but complain, then I feel it's a waste of time. What's done is done, it may...

ECP's who have invested heavily into their brick and mortar and are complaining about the law being a problem. I am merely stating that the law is not going to do anything, it's the education of the...

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Okay, so if it's about ethics, then the conversation ends here. I guess there's nothing we can do but sit here and twiddle our thumbs and complain on optiboard!

Okay, assuming these sorts of onliners are our partners, I'm assuming it is so for the end goal of educating the public. I say, as long as the initiatives aren't flawed by the funding, then who cares...

Sorry, I actually don't quite understand your question. Can you expand on it?

I think what you're saying is that onliners won't obey the rules even if there's laws, and yes, I do think that would...

Whether or not this is true doesn't even matter. If the public doesn't see value in ECPs, laws ain't going to change anything. You make buying online illegal, so what? Pirating is too. Millions do...

Hindsight, you say you're a straight shooter and cutting to the point, but the point you made about "where the money comes from" seems irrelevant to the solution to the situation. It seems like...

I assumed that's what original post for this entire thread was all about - educating the public on ECP expertise? You can see in the link that opticians are actually providing value and answers to...

Sorry, not sure where the contradiction is? I've stated several times now that educating the public on the value of ECPs is the best method.

And I'm not saying onliners/unregulated providers etc...

Exactly. Hence my response above. Laws are not the issue - consumers will always find a way. You have to educate them on your value as an ECP

You bother because the optical products are currently price-driven, when they shouldn't be. If you buy into not believing that you as an ECP has no value either, and talk about "why should I bother...

The reason the first question isn't asked is because it is an ill strategy. If you ask the public that, you know their answer will be focused on price and Licensed professionals will be looked at as...