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Need some tips on fitting soft contact lens on patient. Whenever i put the lens on the cornea the lens has a bubble and it eventually falls off. Do i tell the patient to look in all directions while holding the lids??? Or massage the area where the bubble is, some people tear a lot so they have to close there eyes quickly. Any tips would help, thanx.
Take some courses and learn what you are doing before practicing on a human being.
If bubble is in middle, lens is too steep, if bubble is on edge lens is too flat.
Need better fit, not a massage, except possibly a brain massage for attempting to practice in such an ignorant state.
Chip
Lmao!!!!!
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:D lmao as well
Is it really necessary to be rude?
Dear Happy:
Anyone that ignorant on CL's is a danger to us all. They needs slapped down fast before they do some real damage.
Chip
Happylady – No it is not necessary to be rude, nor is it necessary to be nice. By my very nature I am a rude, sarcastic SOB and I am not going to change at this stage on life. I am not a proponent of Oprah or Katie and have been around long enough to know that well directed sarcasm and ridicule builds strong character and iron will. What is one to do when one encounters stupidity? You have to strike fast and strike hard – you know, shock and awe.
We are not being rude,, we're laughing at Chip. Besides, one should at least know the theory behind fitting CL's
LMAO yet again! Thanks Chip!!Quote:
Originally Posted by chip anderson
My mistake i said patient, i meant i was practicing on my friends at work with someone there not an actual patient but one of the patients was my friend, i was supervised of course but wasn't given any tips except for one which i already knew.I am taking the course right now but i have a horrible teacher so thats why i'm asking you guys for help. My friends are in the course with me and we were just practicing on eachother using the methods that were taught to us in class.Quote:
Originally Posted by chip anderson
"If bubble is in middle, lens is too steep, if bubble is on edge lens is too flat.Need better fit" i do know this but i don't know how to fix the bubble i was wondering that someone would help me out. I know what i said sounded wrong because it was, should have rephrased it. Don't bother saying anything, it is partly my mistake because i should have rephrased it but calling me stupid and things like that isn't nice. Ziggy needs to relax, he laughs a lot maybe because he has that mirror infront of his face all the time.
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I must admit... this is one scary post. I find it difficult to believe that you're a licensed optician. The best tip I have for you is seek legal council. I hope you have some sort of liability insurance. This is just ridiculous... you are definitely out of your realm. Are you a student under who ? Surely you have someone in your office to consult with. The 2nd best tip I can give you is... look for another job !... and leave the fitting of contacts to those in the know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visionz
Please note... what you are doing is unprofessional... unsafe... and not
in the best interest of the client.
Wouldn't you feel good hearing the pilot of your plane ask if anyone knew where the landing gear switch was... after taking you up to 30,000 feet.
The bubble is between your ears... sorry.... questions like yours are distressing... :angry:....
Bubble in the middle, smaller lens or longer radius. Bubble or stand-away on edge, shorter radius or bigger diameter. Check for too steep by taking "K" readings over lens, if clear right after blink and then turns fuzzy ("K" reading or vision) lens is too steep.
Chip, and you can take it to the bank.
First of all i'm not a licensed optician who told you that??? Second of all if you don't have anything proper or good to say than don't say it. Read above your post what i've written and than comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Critical Eye
Chip i am practicing with 14.2 -14,5 diameter lenses are my friends, my teacher said she can give us any diameter lens so be prepared to fit them. Two of my friends have really ssmall corneas, it's hard to fit an 14.2 or above diameter lens. As soon as i place the lens on the cornea forms a bubble but i've practiced again today with somebody that knows, they told me to slowly push the lids where the bubble is forming, tell the person to look around clockwise and when they close there eyes gently tap there eyes to again make sure the bubble is gone, i know how to do it now. Thanx for whatever you said, didn't like what you said at start but it's ok i don't take small things to the heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by chip anderson
You missed the point, if the bubble forms, the lens has too much clearance, and needs to be re-fit, the fact that you can squish it out temporarily does not make the lens fit any better, it's just temporarily compressed and staying that way due to a temporary vaccuum beneath the lens. Bubble should never be present except possibly very small ones when the lens has been inserted after rinsing with aerosol saline.
Why not put more solution in concave side before the insertion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Visionz
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Originally Posted by The Critical Eye
He's not asking the customer where the gear is, he's asking the other pilots where the gear is, which is not too bad :bbg:
I hear ya Captain.... now help me find my parachute... I'm bailingQuote:
Originally Posted by caonimaxuebi
out on this one
Great ...now Visionz is practicing on friends eyes... instead of real peoples eyes... that makes all the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visionz
Your real funny, it seems like you joined this forum for humor, go toQuote:
Originally Posted by The Critical Eye
www.IAmALoserForums.com --- Thats where you belong
I do put more solution, like a drop before the insertion. :drop:Quote:
Originally Posted by caonimaxuebi
sensitive aren't we ? ... :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Visionz
Ok Visionz... I'll admit ... I failed to read your profile...you in fact do list yourself as a "student optician". Please note that I did ask if you were a student... since it wasn't stated in your post and I finally did take effort on my part to find this out = not lazy. Excuse my ignorance... I had also forgotten that certain provinces have a single licensing policy which naturally assumes that if one shows an ability to dispense (sell) Eyeglasses... then they should also have the ability to provide contact lens care. Other provinces issue dual licenses... which I happen to think makes more sense. They are two totally different disciplines and should be treated as such... IMHO... :idea:
I would hate to think that the person flying the plane had to learn that skill when all they really wanted to do was be a stewardess... I think you understand the point....
For the record.. take a look at the posting times... what had actualy happened was that I started my response to your originatiing thread.. had to tend to clients... when I came back from my tour of duties I finished my response and posted... in the interim you had made an attempt to clarify your original post and reposted... (do (post) it right the 1st time or don't do it at all... now who said that ?). Keep in mind this is a public forum... I have not used any profanity with you... but I definitely question your approach... and really question why you haven't referenced a book = lazy.
Wow... you pose a question on a public forum.. get a response that bottom line said..."you're not thinking"... and yes... some humor IMO..these forums are about opinions.... and you get so bent that you refer me to "The I am a loser" forum... :cry: But in seeing this I realize that the real loser will the unsuspecting individual that sits in a chair and lets someone put little plastic discs on their eyes without knowing the possible results of their actions beforehand.
You are entiltled to your opinion ... :)
'If you don't care where you end up ... it doesn't matter what road you take... or whether you use a map." Your textbooks should be your maps... everyone needs to learn... but come on.. look at some diagrams...a fitting guide... something. Now you're saying that there were 2-3 students working together and no one could figure this out...even with the supervisor present.
Sounds like a problem in river city. I'd be contactintg my association ... field supervisor... course coordinator... your education is suffering. A little intiative (self study) would be a nice trait to see in an upcoming optician.
[QUOTE=Visionz]Chip i am practicing with 14.2 -14,5 diameter lenses are my friends, my teacher said she can give us any diameter lens so be prepared to fit them. Two of my friends have really ssmall corneas, it's hard to fit an 14.2 or above diameter lens.
Maybe you've answered your own question.... small corneas and large diameter lenses may not provide a suitable/acceptable fit.
So use some of the fitting philosophies out there and tell your instructor... that you plain and simply in your best judgement would not fit this person with any of the lenses provided based on .... (fill in the blanks).
Do these lenses not possess a base curve? Amazing that there has been no mention of base curve selection.... SIMPLY AMAZING!
I could go on Visionz... but I don't want to get REALLY CRITICAL.
You're being lazy Visionz. Sure blame the teacher... blame the supervisor. Blame me for your failure to post your original question in more detail. Why can't I be lazy... and not look at your profile to see your listed as a "student".
By the sounds of it you went into a situation less than prepared ...less than properly supervised or instructed. This is an issue of REAL concern. More so than bubbles under a contact lens. Ultimately the public will suffer from this.
If you don't have a personal interest to seek out PICTURES related to all aspects of contact lenses and their attached corneas then you may as well hang up your shingle to dispense contact lenses before you begin. All the verbal description in the world on your topic of interest is not going to replace a visual answer. (A picture is worth a thousand words... now who said that ?)
You have the right to not present yourself as a student.. inadvertently call your friends...patients.. and tell me to read your new posting. Take some responsibilty for the attention and response your simple question (initial posting provoked). (As someone once said..."don't ask a question if you're not prepared to hear the answer"... now who said that ?)
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Originally Posted by caonimaxuebi
What happens if the lens is inside out ? Then does the concave side become the convex side... or once a concave side ... always a concave side. Maybe
there are bubbles because the lens is inside out ? ... :confused:
Remember that song by Dean Martin... or was that before your time ?
I think it was called "Tiny Bubbles"... I always wondered if he drank real champagne on his TV show.
You've got to be kidding me! If people are having this much trouble fitting a soft lens, then WE ARE IN SERIOUS trouble. I sure as hell wouldn't want to go to that office. A freaking monkey can fit soft lenses with today's SiHy lenses - even toric patients.
I can't believe there was even this much discussion about bubbles,etc. Give me a break!
My mother even thought I was funny looking:eek: . But thats not the point, now is it. The point is that you should know the basic theory behind CL fitting prior to placing a contact on a patient, even if it is a friend. AS for LMAO, I just love Chip's ability to call a spade a spade. Is this a "school" your going to or are you trying to learn this on the fly? If its a school,,I'd ask for my money back. My advice to you is to understand the theory, you should go back and reread your text. This may have been a harsh lesson but I bet you will never forget, "Bubble in the middle, smaller lens or larger radius".Quote:
Originally Posted by Visionz
I was never indangering anyone, just practicing on friends that are practicing with me, yes i have an horrible teacher never asked for one, so stop talking about me putting the public in danger. Say what you guys want to, i know how to do it now did it myself whoopty do right????, your just hating on me, you guys just want to start fights. Feel free to say anything, i don't care anymore, i just wanted some educated answers since i'm a beginner. Made a big mistake posting this question here. Keep laughing if it really makes you feel better, go ahead.
Thanx for your helpful & positive input, keep up the good work jas.Quote:
Originally Posted by jas256
Vision, try visiting these sites.....contactlens.org, allaboutvision.com, lens101.com. They might have the information you're looking for.
VizionZ. E. Mail or go to website of theCLSA.com. Buy a book, read it you will know more than your "teacher" inside a week.
Chip
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Originally Posted by Visionz
I think you've missed the point Visionz. I don't think people are laughing...it's actually rather sad that you can't seem to get proper training. I mentioned in my previous post that you should be reporting your instructor and supervisor to the powers that be. You should not have been taken on as a student if your supervisor isn't capable of well...supervising and guiding you through variouschallenges that you may come across. You need to let people know how horrible the system is.. and if enough complaints surface ...maybe they'll replace the instructor. But your comments about your lack of support on your end of things sounds only too familiar. Most people if asked will have similar stories... this is nothing new. Changes won't happen here on this forum... so ..you need to be more proactive in your immediate location.
No one is starting a fight here.... a debate ? ...perhaps. Giving you a bit of a rough time.... possibly. Try not to wear your heart on your sleeve... after all... you've only just begun... hang on for the ride.. if you think that a few comments thrown around on a forum is rough.
Visionz, what I think everyone is trying to say is if something as basic as tightening and loosening a lens was not taught to you then you are not in a proper educated state to place lenses on a patients eye, friend or not.
I am not qualified to fit contact lenses, and I hope you will all forgive me if I am speaking out of place, but I agree with the general sentiment that if you do not know the answer to these basic questions, you should be in the presence of someone who does. And if the person "teaching" you can't answer that question, you should seriously consider finding a new place to learn.
I was trained as a phlebotomist a few years back before I worked in a hospital lab. They do not let trainees go anywhere near a real patient with a needle until the training is complete, so we students had to practice our needlestick technique on each other. :cry: I still remember sitting in that chair with one of my classmates as he prepared to poke me in the arm, it was his first needlestick ever. I was scared stiff. If we had not had a very qualified instructor sitting right there watching his every move I would not have allowed it, even if he was my best friend.
I feel the same way about someone fitting me with contacts. If they don't know how to do it, there had d*mn well better be someone present who does know how to do it. If you dont know how, then find someone who does to supervise!
*** And to clarify, I find nothing wrong with Visionz's asking of these fitting questions. What concerns me is that the person teaching Visionz is apparently unable to teach simple techniques to his/her students. That is a serious concern that could affect the health of many patient's eyes later down the road.