I am getting new frames, I want to know If I should go with FeatherWates® Completes or Essilor Airwear with Crizal Alize. The lens crafters are a little more money, but are they worth it? Help Please
Thanks In Advanced
Josh
I am getting new frames, I want to know If I should go with FeatherWates® Completes or Essilor Airwear with Crizal Alize. The lens crafters are a little more money, but are they worth it? Help Please
Thanks In Advanced
Josh
No comment. :finger:
I am just a consumer, I need professional opinion.
Thanks
are you getting these both at Lenscrafters?
Nope, I got my last lenes at LenCrafters. I have no complaints, but I went to a local opt and they supply the Essilor Airwear with Crizal Alize. That lens is also AR.
Thanks
These days you dont even know if not both are from the same source, just named.boxed and packaged differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by josh684
Private lablelling is very common................same product sold under 5 different names or more.
I don't know too much about what lens crafters sells but the alize coating is a dream. It makes your glasses so much easier to clean even with an anti-reflective coating. At Lenscrafters I think you pay extra for the 1 hour service.
I am not familar with the AR coat used by Lenscrafers. The Featherwate lens is just their name for their polycarb lens.
I do use the Essilor Airwear with Crizal and it is an excellent lens. The Crizal Alize is a great AR. It is considered to be one of the best available.
What warranty on the lenses is being offered? I know Lenscrafters has that 30 day money back thing going on, but I am talking down the road if the lenses are scratched. The Lenscrafters near me will not replace scratched lenses for free, there is a fee.
I think most places replace the Crizal Alize lenses free. You should ask both places.
Is this the complete with Scotchgard?
I think a couple of posts already hit the topic on the head.. Compare warranties, and see if someone can compare the two coatings for you. They are both produced by Essilor...
Cassandra
<Groan> I know we have "Teflon" but now "Scotchguard" too? <Groan>
Scotchguard? LoL You have to be kidding me. If your glasses are made of carpeting you may want that, but since we are dealing with clear plastics, I would stick with the Alize'.Quote:
Originally Posted by drk
Personal opinion: The only glasses that should be made out of Polycabonate are these http://www.foodservicedirect.com/ind...e_Tumblers.htm
Adam
Do they come with a list of beverages that shoudn't be used in case of crazing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cherry Optical
Rick
Adam, aren't you currently marketing your Round Seg 22 in poly transitions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cherry Optical
Adam,
I was told that the 10 drilled rimless frames I purchased from you had poly lenses in them also. :finger:
Hey guys Scotchgard is the newest lens available at Lenscrafters . What it is is crizal repackaged for LC . These guys are in deep with Essilor it has been obvious for some time . Oh well what are ya gonna do it was bound to happen.Oh yeah and it is poly by the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cherry Optical
Having seen the packaging of the stock lenses in the Lens Crafters lab, I'm conviced the Scotchguard lenses are the Alize.
I think what consumers don't realize is this. Featherwate Completes are Crizal Alize on a polycarb lens without any warranty (thanks to Lens Crafters awful breakage/scratch warranties). Crizal Alize through your independent OD/MD/Optical are warranted against scratches.
I work at a Lens Crafters 3 days/week and at my private office 2 days/week. I'm constantly amazed by what people pay for stuff with no frame warranty or no scratch warranty.
Having seen the packaging of the stock lenses in the Lens Crafters lab, I'm conviced the Scotchguard lenses are the Alize.
Being familiar with the manufacturing and supply-chain for both products, I can assure you Scotchguard lenses are not a repackaged Crizal Alize.
My mistake...
Rick:Quote:
Originally Posted by rsandr
You definitely don't want to use acetone, hairspray, or paint thinner. Not only do they damage the glasses, the taste will kill you.
Adam
hmmm.
Nah, you have me mixed with someone else. Instaed of the RD22 PC Trans, we came out with a 1.67 Double Segment. Market is strong for that lens. We also have a 14x35 Polycarbonate Transitions Splitz lens. I figure that one will be a hot seller.Quote:
Originally Posted by For-Life
Adam
John:Quote:
Originally Posted by Johns
LoL! You can purchase whatever you want from me, so long as you pay your bill on time. I actually have no idea what you are talking about, but if you would have ordered TVX in those drilled frames, you would have saved $100.
You order it, I make it, you pay for it. I can only supply what people order. I do however make strong suggestions in may cases.
Adam
"I did not have sexual relations with that women." ~President ClintonQuote:
Originally Posted by Pete Hanlin
Sorry Pete, couldn't resist that one.
Adam
okay, sorry for the confusionQuote:
Originally Posted by Cherry Optical
Pete,Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete Hanlin
What are the advantages/disadvantages of the two compared to one another (Alize vs scotchgard?). Are they at least similar, or are they completely different? It would seem that the marketing LC has offered on the new scotchgard lens show that it has similar properties to the Alize, SHV or Carat.
AA
Do you think the scothchguard is the same as a teflon coating? I don't think the teflon coating is as nice as the D'alize or even the alize. It just doesn't seem to bead as well.
D'Alize: whats that dont have a Rep ever come around so dont know the new Essilor products
It is not available in the US. It is Alize with the blue instead of the green residual colour.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattress
I have heard that the Cole labs which probably supply these coatings have new equipment made by Satis and also get the supplies from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarlan
The slick coats in general are all in the same family and originate from very few supply sources. You can easily assume that they are most probably very closely related, with the exception of their given names. Therefore they should all have the same properties with the only one existing exception:
An easy to clean slick coat that also has anti-fog and anti- stat properties.
None of the large local corporation has picked up this one yet and is advertisong it as the latest and fanciest invention they have developed.
D'alize is a step up from the alize and is only available from Dr's offices and maybe small opticals not the big chains like LC and Costco (at least that is how I think it works in Canada).
Actually, the Crizal and the Scotchguard both have the same chemicals... teflon. The same teflon in your cooking pans and yes, in your couch, car seat, and carpet fabrics. It's how it makes it so easy to clean. Just FYI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cherry Optical
Also, Cherry, I've been wearing poly lenses w/ regular AR for over 15 years (I'm a -6.00 OU) and I've never had a problem with any of them. I've probably had 12-13 (or more) Poly AR glasses over that time. But I'm careful with them, which both AR and Poly require because of their softness (AR coat and poly lens).
I personally have never heard a single Essilor/Varilux rep state that they have the true "TEFLON" in their coating. I do find this very intriuging. I will do some research to find out if their is any falility to this claim. I do however, highly doubt it at this time. They may have a 'TEFLON-LIKE' chemical in their mix?Quote:
Originally Posted by eg31486
Adam
Quote:
Originally Posted by eg31486
Umm.. Ok?
Adam
Your assumtion is partly right. The names are only names that they have aquired from whoever has the rights to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by eg31486
However the applied product has nothing to do with the product in cooking pans or car seats.
What it does it fills the microscopic gaps between the crystals of the AR coating, therefore preventing dirt from going in between which makes the hard to clean. You know have a filled clean and smooth surface and no dirt penetration.
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Originally Posted by Aarlan
Just wanted to bump this because I didn't see an answer anywhere on the forum. What is the difference between Scotchguard and other premium coatings such as Alize or Teflon (other than where you can get them from)?
From what I understand. Nothing.
The next break through in lenses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
wrinkle free stain resistant AR*
* no warraties on the performance of this product wrinkles may occur and keep away from any solutions known to cause stains.
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Originally Posted by edKENdance
That's why nobody answered...
What's the difference between a Cadillac, a Lexus, a Porsche, and a Jaguar- other than where you get them?
All the above cars have similar characteristics (four wheels, leather seats, etc.) and are probably made on similar robotic machines... They aren't the same brand or the same car, however.
Likewise with Crizal Alize with Clear Guard, Teflon, Scotchgard, etc... Naturally, they have similar properties (they are all ARs), and they probably share some similar processes (the hardcoating process for all Crizal products, nearly all Teflon products, and Scotchgard product is dip coat/thermal cure, which is capable of producing a very durable lens). That doesn't mean they are all identical.
That manufacturers make different products which they sell through different channels is not news. Retail accounts for approximately 52% of the eyewear sold in the US. Therefore, it is therefore not particularly surprising that manufacturers would make products for this channel. Essilor happens to make two of the brands in their line of products (Varilux and Crizal) directly available only to private practices. Essilor also spends $ millions to advertise these brands to help create consumer awareness.
Retailers also sell high quality products, such as Zeiss and Scotchgard. Similar products- different brands and different properties.
So what are you saying Pete?
I think he's saying that everything is nearly the same, but different only when under a microscope.
-Steve
The front and back AR on LC is different. The idea is that they stock front side only AR lenses. Then they can surface the lens and apply backisde AR in the store for lenses in an hour. From what I understand, the idea works very well. They even apply their own UV hard coat.
From my experience that is incorrect.
Wasn't that a system that they used years ago? I forget what it was called, but it was done by Sola.
There is a thread about it. The problem was that if you used a rimlon it could split, and it was a little thicker.
which part?Quote:
Originally Posted by edKENdance
They use sputter coaters now I believe. from satisloh.Quote:
Originally Posted by For-Life
Only some stores in certain areas have access to the Satis coating system. And according to my former sources anyway, it wasn't considered a success to have them there.
Currently the Scotchgard AR is either a finished SV lens in stock or is manufactured by Essilor..
The non Scotchgard are either done using a Satis system if the store has it.. or by one of the central labs.
Cassandra
wonder why LC doesn't use Cole as its source for AR? Keep it in the Lux family. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jubilee
That is one of the central procesing facilities they use for non Scotchgard. Scotchgard was developed in conjunction with Essilor. So I am sure there is a contract there for having Essilor produce it for so many years...